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M7 Social Media TAX -Excellent
tom_boy
#61 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 5:57:48 PM
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masukuma wrote:
the fellow actually believes individuals belong to the state. not only the state... Government... what an interesting line of fiction.


Govt is everything. Many hate to hear this or believe it but Govt influence is everywhere. Govt decides what you can and cannot do. Govt owns you in a sense. Yes you have free will to act but can only do so within govt framework provided. Anyway, no point debating this. Govt is always seeking greater control over individuals.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
murchr
#62 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 6:15:48 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Too much back and forth here....

Simple points if you ask me.

As the structure of things in the global arena stand now, it is not practically possible for Kenya/UG to tax the likes of facebook, whatsapp etc.

It is also practically unviable/unrealistic and unachievable to filter the users of internet so as to target & only tax the segment that is using social media.

Hence if Kenya/Ug insists on taxing they would have to lump all internet users together for the tax, which beats the original intention as sold - unless it is a gimmick.

However, IF, and that a ‘YUGE’ if, it were possible to successfully target the users of social media specifically and slap a tax on them without encroaching on other internet users I would be kosher with it. It’s a luxury that at times borders on social evil.

Lets be sincere - Govts thrive on tax and since it is a generally accepted norm that essentials of life shouldn’t be put too high for the average Joe especially by taxing them - got to go slow on those. As a matter of fact in critical times, access to certain basic foodstuff can even be subsidized by Govt.

Wherefore;
I would in fact say tax 10% on social media usage and 30% on porn access.
But for now that’s only a pipe dream – like Horses and beggars.


What is social media? Who gets taxed in the service industry?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ngalaka
#63 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 6:23:33 PM
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murchr wrote:


What is social media? Who gets taxed in the service industry?

Rhetorical!

Well you get taxed for buying airtime, plane ticket, dinning at Serena etc.
Heck even Serena imposes a tax of their own on you - they call it service charge - I hear it's meant for tipping the waiters & co!
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tycho
#64 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 6:26:42 PM
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Hapo kwa pornography @Ngalaka amekosea kidogo. If social media ni 10% then pornography should be at least 4% max 7%...

Only as far as proportions are concerned. Otherwise I don't support most of his argument.

But hapo kwa percentages amenikwaza zaidi!
Ngalaka
#65 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 6:28:24 PM
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tycho wrote:
Hapo kwa pornography @Ngalaka amekosea kidogo. If social media ni 10% then pornography should be at least 4% max 7%...

Only as far as proportions are concerned. Otherwise I don't support most of his argument.

But hapo kwa percentages amenikwaza zaidi!

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murchr
#66 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 6:43:29 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
murchr wrote:


What is social media? Who gets taxed in the service industry?

Rhetorical!

Well you get taxed for buying airtime, plane ticket, dinning at Serena etc.
Heck even Serena imposes a tax of their own on you - they call it service charge - I hear it's meant for tipping the waiters & co!


If you tax FB because you feel its a luxury (may be to you) would you not be severely infringing into the rights of the normal wanjiku who uses the platform to showcase what she does (sew mats, do hair, wash cars, cook) yet Wanjiku still pays taxes on these services she offers?

I think our leaders have become lazy or are completely incompetent in raising money. The economy thrives in an environment where taxes are low. Keeping the taxes low attracts businesses bringing jobs which will increase PAYE.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ngalaka
#67 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 6:49:19 PM
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murchr wrote:


If you tax FB because you feel its a luxury (may be to you) would you not be severely infringing into the rights of the normal wanjiku who uses the platform to showcase what she does (sew mats, do hair, wash cars, cook) yet Wanjiku still pays taxes on these services she offers?

I think our leaders have become lazy or are completely incompetent in raising money. The economy thrives in an environment where taxes are low. Keeping the taxes low attracts businesses bringing jobs which will increase PAYE.


I see your point.
However, the same argument can be made about - beer, Cigarettes, Casino business etc.
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murchr
#68 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 6:53:48 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
murchr wrote:


If you tax FB because you feel its a luxury (may be to you) would you not be severely infringing into the rights of the normal wanjiku who uses the platform to showcase what she does (sew mats, do hair, wash cars, cook) yet Wanjiku still pays taxes on these services she offers?

I think our leaders have become lazy or are completely incompetent in raising money. The economy thrives in an environment where taxes are low. Keeping the taxes low attracts businesses bringing jobs which will increase PAYE.


I see your point.
However, the same argument can be made about - beer, Cigarettes, Casino business etc.


How now? Beer Cigarettes are a luxury. That person showing us that they can make mats is not using that notice board as a luxury.

There's a new breed of money makers who have been born by "social media". "Marketing influencers"

Kyle Jenner is to become the youngest billionaire at 21 out of the influence she has on social media.


When Snapchat upgraded their software, she made a comment that "its dead" and the SNAP stock lost $1.3B in a day's trading. Well...its debatable if the tweet really made that to happen but yes it happened.

Marketers have now realized the power of product endorsements by "celebrities" is bigger than traditional ads and many are taking advantage of this new found wealth creation strategy. I think in East Africa no one does it better than Idris Sultan, with over 2M followers local and international brands all want him to endorse their products.
In Kenya, Caroline Mutoko comes in mind and several other female "celebrities" that Nyakundi feels are a threat to the male species. They are not close to what Idris is but they are growing.

The world is changing, the legislature not so much

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ngalaka
#69 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 7:02:26 PM
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murchr wrote:


How now? Beer Cigarettes are a luxury. That person showing us that they can make mats is not using that notice board as a luxury.

Let's not get bogged down with that.
The bigger picture - social media(FB)is more of a luxury than anything else.
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tycho
#70 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 7:09:54 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
murchr wrote:


How now? Beer Cigarettes are a luxury. That person showing us that they can make mats is not using that notice board as a luxury.

Let's not get bogged down with that.
The bigger picture - social media(FB)is more of a luxury than anything else.


No. FB is a social utility many people don't know how to use.

Most have gone for the most superficial stuff.

But it is much more richer in potential than what we see commonly. And it's not Zuckerberg's problem. The problem is your lack of imagination and skill.
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