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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:How many outstanding shares does Cytonn have?
1H PAT for the parent was 186mn including FV adjustments. Employee costs are 1/3 of revenues and 90% of Gross Profits. Impairment Losses of 47mn. I dont think there's a definite number, you can walk in and buy shares like @Obiero is thinking of doing. Those numbers stink! There still has to be a certain number of outstanding shares as of 31st Dec 2017. Are the Cytonn shares traded on an OTC? If yes, who operates the OTC? If Cytonn also sells more shares on a walk-in basis then how does a current owner sell his shares? Wouldn't Cytonn wants new investors to buy "newly issued shares" to get cash to invest vs facilitating the sale of shares held by existing investors which doesn't give them "new" cash like what happens on the NSE? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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its advisable to take a wait and see approach on this one.All listed counters in GEMS have had problems since its creation in 2013. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:How many outstanding shares does Cytonn have?
1H PAT for the parent was 186mn including FV adjustments. Employee costs are 1/3 of revenues and 90% of Gross Profits. Impairment Losses of 47mn. I dont think there's a definite number, you can walk in and buy shares like @Obiero is thinking of doing. Those numbers stink! There still has to be a certain number of outstanding shares as of 31st Dec 2017. Are the Cytonn shares traded on an OTC? If yes, who operates the OTC? If Cytonn also sells more shares on a walk-in basis then how does a current owner sell his shares? Wouldn't Cytonn wants new investors to buy "newly issued shares" to get cash to invest vs facilitating the sale of shares held by existing investors which doesn't give them "new" cash like what happens on the NSE? The shares are bought OTC. Once your place your order, cytonn tries to match the buy order with sell order If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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AGM in 14days (May 18th),anyone with a link to audited FY17 financials...End year 31st Dec..
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Would that info be for public consumption or strictly for share holders? dsktop wrote:AGM in 14days (May 18th),anyone with a link to audited FY17 financials...End year 31st Dec..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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Chaka wrote:Would that info be for public consumption or strictly for share holders? dsktop wrote:AGM in 14days (May 18th),anyone with a link to audited FY17 financials...End year 31st Dec.. @sparkly will update us HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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obiero wrote:Chaka wrote:Would that info be for public consumption or strictly for share holders? dsktop wrote:AGM in 14days (May 18th),anyone with a link to audited FY17 financials...End year 31st Dec.. @sparkly will update us Sorry I have no updates on Cytonn. Life is short. Live passionately.
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:Chaka wrote:Would that info be for public consumption or strictly for share holders? It will be public Info. Cytonn is a PLC. dsktop wrote:AGM in 14days (May 18th),anyone with a link to audited FY17 financials...End year 31st Dec.. @sparkly will update us Sorry I have no updates on Cytonn. Regards, Jimmy Boy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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Full year 2017 results finally served https://www.exchange.co....-fold-to-ksh398-million/ HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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Fair value gains?? https://www.cytonn.com/u...ments-management-plc.pdf HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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Controversial company Cytonn Investments announced their full year financial results for the period ended 31st December, 2017. Sales from real estate projects grew by 92% to KES 612M. This was accompanied by a faster growth in cost of sales which rose by 104% to KES 690.3M. The company continues to rely on financing activities to drive its operations. This led to finance costs growing more than 290% to KES 285 million. Negative Cash Flows Moreover, company generated negative cash flows from operating activities and investing affirming their reliance on cash flow from financing activities. Debt to Equity ratio stood at 45%. Staff and operating costs grew by 69% to KES 1098.9 as the company continued to grow its operations. Sh 569 Million Operating Loss Removing fair value gains, the company made an operating loss of KES 569 million, worsening from an operating loss of KES 425 million a year earlier. The company incurred one of impairment loss of KES 178.2million with Kshs 95.6 mn being for Imperial Bank Limited and Kshs 82.6 mn being for Nakumatt Holdings Limited. It remains a concern why the company is attracted to high risk investment asset classes such as commercial papers from distressed companies and above market rate fixed deposit rates. According to the company’s annual report, they acquired 12.5% stake in Superior homes against the 25% they had previously stated in their initial press release. Superior Homes is the developer of Green Park Estate in Athi River which was recently flooded after Stoni Athi River bursts its banks. Net Asset value per share slid by 13% to KES 54 from KES 61.9 a year earlier after the number of ordinary shares increased from 84M to 98M. The 3 partners who founded the company own 79% of the issued shared. Link:https://kenyanwallstreet.com/cytonn-investments-aggressive-accounting-in-fy-numbers/ Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:Controversial company Cytonn Investments announced their full year financial results for the period ended 31st December, 2017. Sales from real estate projects grew by 92% to KES 612M. This was accompanied by a faster growth in cost of sales which rose by 104% to KES 690.3M.
The company continues to rely on financing activities to drive its operations. This led to finance costs growing more than 290% to KES 285 million.
Negative Cash Flows
Moreover, company generated negative cash flows from operating activities and investing affirming their reliance on cash flow from financing activities. Debt to Equity ratio stood at 45%. Staff and operating costs grew by 69% to KES 1098.9 as the company continued to grow its operations.
Sh 569 Million Operating Loss
Removing fair value gains, the company made an operating loss of KES 569 million, worsening from an operating loss of KES 425 million a year earlier. The company incurred one of impairment loss of KES 178.2million with Kshs 95.6 mn being for Imperial Bank Limited and Kshs 82.6 mn being for Nakumatt Holdings Limited. It remains a concern why the company is attracted to high risk investment asset classes such as commercial papers from distressed companies and above market rate fixed deposit rates.
According to the company’s annual report, they acquired 12.5% stake in Superior homes against the 25% they had previously stated in their initial press release. Superior Homes is the developer of Green Park Estate in Athi River which was recently flooded after Stoni Athi River bursts its banks.
Net Asset value per share slid by 13% to KES 54 from KES 61.9 a year earlier after the number of ordinary shares increased from 84M to 98M. The 3 partners who founded the company own 79% of the issued shared.
Link:https://kenyanwallstreet.com/cytonn-investments-aggressive-accounting-in-fy-numbers/ The article does well in giving a snapshot of the trouble with the company strategies but does not expose the whole story HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/8/2018 Posts: 507 Location: Nairobi
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Interesting read....Cytonn came to mind"By the fall of 2000, Enron was starting to crumble under its own weight. CEO Jeffrey Skilling had a way of hiding the financial losses of the trading business and other operations of the company; it was called mark-to-market accounting. This is a technique used where you measure the value of a security based on its current market value, instead of its book value. This can work well when trading securities, but it can be disastrous for actual businesses. In Enron's case, the company would build an asset, such as a power plant, and immediately claim the projected profit on its books, even though it hadn't made one dime from it."
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rwitre wrote:Interesting read....Cytonn came to mind"By the fall of 2000, Enron was starting to crumble under its own weight. CEO Jeffrey Skilling had a way of hiding the financial losses of the trading business and other operations of the company; it was called mark-to-market accounting. This is a technique used where you measure the value of a security based on its current market value, instead of its book value. This can work well when trading securities, but it can be disastrous for actual businesses. In Enron's case, the company would build an asset, such as a power plant, and immediately claim the projected profit on its books, even though it hadn't made one dime from it." Haiya, wait for right of reply In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Swenani wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:How many outstanding shares does Cytonn have?
1H PAT for the parent was 186mn including FV adjustments. Employee costs are 1/3 of revenues and 90% of Gross Profits. Impairment Losses of 47mn. I dont think there's a definite number, you can walk in and buy shares like @Obiero is thinking of doing. Those numbers stink! There still has to be a certain number of outstanding shares as of 31st Dec 2017. Are the Cytonn shares traded on an OTC? If yes, who operates the OTC? If Cytonn also sells more shares on a walk-in basis then how does a current owner sell his shares? Wouldn't Cytonn wants new investors to buy "newly issued shares" to get cash to invest vs facilitating the sale of shares held by existing investors which doesn't give them "new" cash like what happens on the NSE? The shares are bought OTC. Once your place your order, cytonn tries to match the buy order with sell order @VVS, Number of shares is 98,265,550 Net Book Value is Kes. 671,667,538 Net Book Value per share is Kes. 6.84 At the said Market Price Per Shares of Kes. 60, the share is trading at a Price to Book Value Ratio 8.78 times. Crazy! Which broker is operating the OTC?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Hiyo right of reply ni kali kweli kweli!!!! Keep it up Cytonn. Smoke out the fakes!!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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He he...This is a much better attempt than that NONSENSICAL DIMWIT REMARK by Edwin. Cytonn should learn to get rich quietly.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Kali how? Covering up the ponzi with fake profits isn't kali, it for dimwits to feel their money is safe there. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Hiyo right of reply ni kali kweli kweli!!!! Keep it up Cytonn. Smoke out the fakes!!!!! Currently [it may change] I may not invest in Cytonn but Alai is a blackmailer and a nasty guy. Very nasty. You can feel his nastiness when you are around him. He may be right about Cytonn. Or not. I hope none of us ever get caught up in his web. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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