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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Surely? HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Yes. Even today market is closed but look at what Crown have done. Stock manipulation at the very extreme https://www.businessdail...25076-3ilb1vz/index.html HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:[quote=obiero]THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Yes. Even today market is closed but look at what Crown have done. Stock manipulation at the very extreme https://www.businessdail...5076-3ilb1vz/index.html[/quote] Guys were buying this stock coz of the buy back scheme announcement hence the price increase.Now they're using the price increase as the reason to cancel the buy back.Cant make this stuff up!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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whiteowl wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Yes. Even today market is closed but look at what Crown have done. Stock manipulation at the very extreme https://www.businessdail...5076-3ilb1vz/index.html
Guys were buying this stock coz of the buy back scheme announcement hence the price increase.Now they're using the price increase as the reason to cancel the buy back.Cant make this stuff up! Crazy! I'm thinking of leaving the NSE altogether. Too many conmen running bandia firms HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 23.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, kq, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:whiteowl wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Yes. Even today market is closed but look at what Crown have done. Stock manipulation at the very extreme https://www.businessdail...5076-3ilb1vz/index.html
Guys were buying this stock coz of the buy back scheme announcement hence the price increase.Now they're using the price increase as the reason to cancel the buy back.Cant make this stuff up! Crazy! I'm thinking of leaving the NSE altogether. Too many conmen running bandia firms The current nse is for men and women of balls and steel Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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whiteowl wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:[quote=obiero]THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Yes. Even today market is closed but look at what Crown have done. Stock manipulation at the very extreme https://www.businessdail...5076-3ilb1vz/index.html[/quote] Guys were buying this stock coz of the buy back scheme announcement hence the price increase.Now they're using the price increase as the reason to cancel the buy back.Cant make this stuff up! Buybacks are routinely used in many markets. Investors need to learn about why some firms engage in buybacks. A buyback should not be done at any price but at a sensible price. If the price exceeds the value determined by a set of criteria then the buyback doesn’t make sense for the firm. At 84/- the reasons for the buyback don’t make sense at the moment. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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VituVingiSana wrote:whiteowl wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:[quote=obiero]THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Yes. Even today market is closed but look at what Crown have done. Stock manipulation at the very extreme https://www.businessdail...5076-3ilb1vz/index.html[/quote] Guys were buying this stock coz of the buy back scheme announcement hence the price increase.Now they're using the price increase as the reason to cancel the buy back.Cant make this stuff up! Buybacks are routinely used in many markets. Investors need to learn about why some firms engage in buybacks. A buyback should not be done at any price but at a sensible price. If the price exceeds the value determined by a set of criteria then the buyback doesn’t make sense for the firm. At 84/- the reasons for the buyback don’t make sense at the moment. What if there was no buy back plan in the first place?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:whiteowl wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:[quote=obiero]THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Yes. Even today market is closed but look at what Crown have done. Stock manipulation at the very extreme https://www.businessdail...5076-3ilb1vz/index.html[/quote] Guys were buying this stock coz of the buy back scheme announcement hence the price increase.Now they're using the price increase as the reason to cancel the buy back.Cant make this stuff up! Buybacks are routinely used in many markets. Investors need to learn about why some firms engage in buybacks. A buyback should not be done at any price but at a sensible price. If the price exceeds the value determined by a set of criteria then the buyback doesn’t make sense for the firm. At 84/- the reasons for the buyback don’t make sense at the moment. So it's OK to hype up the share price then back track? Who's the biggest beneficiary of such monkey games? HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:whiteowl wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:[quote=obiero]THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 15.06.2018: arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme Today markets are closed Yes. Even today market is closed but look at what Crown have done. Stock manipulation at the very extreme https://www.businessdail...5076-3ilb1vz/index.html[/quote] Guys were buying this stock coz of the buy back scheme announcement hence the price increase.Now they're using the price increase as the reason to cancel the buy back.Cant make this stuff up! Buybacks are routinely used in many markets. Investors need to learn about why some firms engage in buybacks. A buyback should not be done at any price but at a sensible price. If the price exceeds the value determined by a set of criteria then the buyback doesn’t make sense for the firm. At 84/- the reasons for the buyback don’t make sense at the moment. So it's OK to hype up the share price then back track? Who's the biggest beneficiary of such monkey games? Who hyped up the share price? Disclosure: I do not have Crown shares. I was following this Buyback since I am interested in the mechanism for the Buyback given there are many firms [IMHO] which should have Buybacks since they trade at prices far below their intrinsic value. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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@vvs read their statement just a few months ago as seen here below. CMA has left investors naked once again.. HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:@vvs read their statement just a few months ago as seen here below. CMA has left investors naked once again.. How have investors, not speculators, been left naked? Has the price of the shares at 87 exceeded the limits set by the CMA? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:@vvs read their statement just a few months ago as seen here below. CMA has left investors naked once again.. How have investors, not speculators, been left naked? Has the price of the shares at 87 exceeded the limits set by the CMA? The current shareholding is 50+1 held by Crown and affiliates so it was a complete con game to hype up the share price HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:@vvs read their statement just a few months ago as seen here below. CMA has left investors naked once again.. How have investors, not speculators, been left naked? Has the price of the shares at 87 exceeded the limits set by the CMA? The current shareholding is 50+1 held by Crown and affiliates so it was a complete con game to hype up the share price How does hyping up the price help Crown + Affiliates? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:@vvs read their statement just a few months ago as seen here below. CMA has left investors naked once again.. How have investors, not speculators, been left naked? Has the price of the shares at 87 exceeded the limits set by the CMA? The current shareholding is 50+1 held by Crown and affiliates so it was a complete con game to hype up the share price How does hyping up the price help Crown + Affiliates? Companies get the shareholders they deserve. Its up to the speculators to bring about the necessary revision in price especially given the change in circumstances. If they don't, then they must start behaving like long term investors by waiting for the NAV to approximate the fake share price in the long run and all through this they must pray that mgt executes like crazy in terms of financial performance. Alternatively, speculators on thus one should consider themselves victims of transfer of wealth to the real value investors... After all, this is the core function of stock makers. Regulators and management are not to blame in this one.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:@vvs read their statement just a few months ago as seen here below. CMA has left investors naked once again.. How have investors, not speculators, been left naked? Has the price of the shares at 87 exceeded the limits set by the CMA? The current shareholding is 50+1 held by Crown and affiliates so it was a complete con game to hype up the share price How does hyping up the price help Crown + Affiliates? Companies get the shareholders they deserve. Its up to the speculators to bring about the necessary revision in price especially given the change in circumstances. If they don't, then they must start behaving like long term investors by waiting for the NAV to approximate the fake share price in the long run and all through this they must pray that mgt executes like crazy in terms of financial performance. Alternatively, speculators on thus one should consider themselves victims of transfer of wealth to the real value investors... After all, this is the core function of stock makers. Regulators and management are not to blame in this one. @xxxxx management are to blame for misleading the speculators because for a fact the share price will now come down effective tomorrow, leading the investors naked HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:@vvs read their statement just a few months ago as seen here below. CMA has left investors naked once again.. How have investors, not speculators, been left naked? Has the price of the shares at 87 exceeded the limits set by the CMA? The current shareholding is 50+1 held by Crown and affiliates so it was a complete con game to hype up the share price How does hyping up the price help Crown + Affiliates? Companies get the shareholders they deserve. Its up to the speculators to bring about the necessary revision in price especially given the change in circumstances. If they don't, then they must start behaving like long term investors by waiting for the NAV to approximate the fake share price in the long run and all through this they must pray that mgt executes like crazy in terms of financial performance. Alternatively, speculators on thus one should consider themselves victims of transfer of wealth to the real value investors... After all, this is the core function of stock makers. Regulators and management are not to blame in this one. @xxxxx management are to blame for misleading the speculators because for a fact the share price will now come down effective tomorrow, leading the investors naked The Management/Board does not owe the speculators anything... Warren Buffett has said he doesn't want "speculators" as shareholders but long-term owners who think beyond the next quarter. He said a shareholder/investor should be OK with investing in firms that they will be comfortable in even if the stockmarket shut down for 10 years. Back to Crown: My understanding is that the Board/Management did not promise anything from what I can see except a Buy back at around 57/-... This would reassure shareholders that Crown was willing to buy back upto 15% of the shares within the 18 month period should the price drop to 57. I feel there are many firms that should institute Buyback programs at current prices [lower than intrinsic value]. This works better for cash-rich firms with little or no debt and the ability to generate cash. Candidates include: KenRe: Plenty of cash. Low P/B. Politics. Centum: Low P/B but cash is tight so perhaps an option in the future Kenol: P/B is not very high and cash will start flowing in but what's the ideal price for the buyback? C&G: Low P/B. Cash is tight. There's also debt on the books. A sale of a property can reduce debt. Unga: Low P/B but cash is tight. The Offer by Seaboard is like a Buyback of sorts. Some banks and they missed a good chance in 4Q 2016 but there was a lot of uncertainty. Many were trading below P/B of 1 including Stanbic, NIC, I&M, etc. Some like Equity and KCB were trading at close to P/B of 1. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 17.08.2016 arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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obiero wrote:THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 17.08.2016 arm, bamburi, barclays, britam, cables, carbacid, cargeneral, centum, crown, deacons, eabl, eapc, eveready, express, ftg, hf, home afrika, i&m, kapch, keno, kenre, kurwitu, mumias, nbk, olympia, sameer, scbk, uchumi, unga, umeme and KQ. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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