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a4architect.com wrote:@murchr..from the quality of workmanship, which is very high, the contractor executed the works perfectly. The issues coming up r usually resolved by architects eg sewerage, wall type etc.
So now even waste management is the work of the architect? So we should be blaming the architects in Nrb for the mess that is the sewerline? I always thot the work of the contractor is to assemble material and coordinate the workmanship of the project. So where do the contractors responsibility start and stop? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@murchr, check the architects and quantity surveoyrs act of kenya here
http://www.boraqs.or.ke/userfiles/CAP%20525.pdf
check page 31
Quote:providing small-scale drawings
showing the main lines of drainage and
other services as executed and giving initial
guidance on maintenance.
During the design, the architect provides drawings showing the general drainage.
The architect then works to finer detail in conjuction with the mechanical engineer of building services to refine these for the internal drainage.
The architect similarly works with the civil engineer to refine the drainage from the exit of the house till the sewerage/septic tank.
From the above, the architect makes the developer aware of services offered by mechanical engineers of building services and civil engineers. If there is no architect, the chances are high that there are no services and civil engineers involved. Contractors then implement the designs since their core skills are in implementing, not designing.
The contractor's work is to implement the building works as per designs from various consultants i.e cicil eng, architect, structural eng etc.
Where the contractor takes up the role of the consultant, in most situations,from experience, there will be issues. This is similar to the SGR where the chinese contractors took up the role of feasibility study, creating the mess we are in at the moment. They estimated the fares to be kes 4,500 from nbo to msa while the recent air fares have come to kes 2850 for the same. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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a4architect.com wrote:@murchr, check the architects and quantity surveoyrs act of kenya here
http://www.boraqs.or.ke/userfiles/CAP%20525.pdf
check page 31
Quote:providing small-scale drawings
showing the main lines of drainage and
other services as executed and giving initial
guidance on maintenance.
During the design, the architect provides drawings showing the general drainage.
The architect then works to finer detail in conjuction with the mechanical engineer of building services to refine these for the internal drainage.
The architect similarly works with the civil engineer to refine the drainage from the exit of the house till the sewerage/septic tank.
From the above, the architect makes the developer aware of services offered by mechanical engineers of building services and civil engineers. If there is no architect, the chances are high that there are no services and civil engineers involved. Contractors then implement the designs since their core skills are in implementing, not designing.
The contractor's work is to implement the building works as per designs from various consultants i.e cicil eng, architect, structural eng etc.
Where the contractor takes up the role of the consultant, in most situations,from experience, there will be issues. This is similar to the SGR where the chinese contractors took up the role of feasibility study, creating the mess we are in at the moment. They estimated the fares to be kes 4,500 from nbo to msa while the recent air fares have come to kes 2850 for the same.
So is this to say that the system has not been working or maintainance is lacking?
Most of those houses there have septic tanks that have to be emptied surely no one gets to know when they are filled ama architect should be the one ringing the alarm bells to ask them to empty it?
All i see there is lack of maintainance
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@murchr, i may not know the exact issue facing greenpark but from the newspaper article, it looks like an issue to do with architectural, mechanical and civil engineering design flaws and not workmanship/contractor flaws. It looks like an issue to do with the level of the toilets vis a vis the level of a full sewerage treatment plant. Maintenance is also a solution but if initially designed, there should be no need for such maintenance since levels will be well positioned in a way that sewerage backflow into the houses is impossible. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/7/2017 Posts: 186 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,937
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Stiffler wrote:https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001284612/pain-of-green-park-families-who-have-to-move-after-sinking-savings-in-houses
This is very sad, crazy Kenya!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:Stiffler wrote:https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001284612/pain-of-green-park-families-who-have-to-move-after-sinking-savings-in-houses
This is very sad, crazy Kenya!!!
Where was WARMA when the houses went up less than 10yrs ago? This agency needs a makeover "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Stiffler wrote:https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001284612/pain-of-green-park-families-who-have-to-move-after-sinking-savings-in-houses
This is very sad, crazy Kenya!!!
Where was WARMA when the houses went up less than 10yrs ago? This agency needs a makeover
the owners should be compensated.. it's not their fault. punda amecheka
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/1/2007 Posts: 539 Location: Nakuru
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newfarer wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Stiffler wrote:https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001284612/pain-of-green-park-families-who-have-to-move-after-sinking-savings-in-houses
This is very sad, crazy Kenya!!!
Where was WARMA when the houses went up less than 10yrs ago? This agency needs a makeover
the owners should be compensated.. it's not their fault.
The number of things that people suffer in this country that aren't their fault... Kulipwa watangoja sana For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/30/2011 Posts: 207
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winmak wrote:newfarer wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Stiffler wrote:https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001284612/pain-of-green-park-families-who-have-to-move-after-sinking-savings-in-houses
This is very sad, crazy Kenya!!!
Where was WARMA when the houses went up less than 10yrs ago? This agency needs a makeover
the owners should be compensated.. it's not their fault.
The number of things that people suffer in this country that aren't their fault... Kulipwa watangoja sana
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