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aemathenge
#21 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 10:16:15 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
The biggest risk I see here is assets verses liability maturity mismatch. The assets (properties) do take time to develop and sell, while the financial liabilities (funding of the properties) mainly have a maturity of less than 1 year.

What or which are the rest of the risks?
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mwekez@ji
#22 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:12:27 AM
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aemathenge wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
The biggest risk I see here is assets verses liability maturity mismatch. The assets (properties) do take time to develop and sell, while the financial liabilities (funding of the properties) mainly have a maturity of less than 1 year.

What or which are the rest of the risks?

My second biggest risk is the company not being able to find additional funds to complete the many massive property developments that it is undertaking simultaneously.

Over to others wazuans to add on the risks.
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KulaRaha
#23 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 3:22:48 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
The biggest risk I see here is assets verses liability maturity mismatch. The assets (properties) do take time to develop and sell, while the financial liabilities (funding of the properties) mainly have a maturity of less than 1 year.

What or which are the rest of the risks?

My second biggest risk is the company not being able to find additional funds to complete the many massive property developments that it is undertaking simultaneously.

Over to others wazuans to add on the risks.


Cost of funding far exceeds profit on property.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Swenani
#24 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 5:03:39 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
The biggest risk I see here is assets verses liability maturity mismatch. The assets (properties) do take time to develop and sell, while the financial liabilities (funding of the properties) mainly have a maturity of less than 1 year.

What or which are the rest of the risks?

My second biggest risk is the company not being able to find additional funds to complete the many massive property developments that it is undertaking simultaneously.

Over to others wazuans to add on the risks.


Cost of funding far exceeds profit on property.


say's who?

They have stated before that their spread of CoC and RoI is around +6%
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Horton
#25 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:06:42 PM
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Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
Swenani wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
The biggest risk I see here is assets verses liability maturity mismatch. The assets (properties) do take time to develop and sell, while the financial liabilities (funding of the properties) mainly have a maturity of less than 1 year.

What or which are the rest of the risks?

My second biggest risk is the company not being able to find additional funds to complete the many massive property developments that it is undertaking simultaneously.

Over to others wazuans to add on the risks.


Cost of funding far exceeds profit on property.


say's who?

They have stated before that their spread of CoC and RoI is around +6%



That’s as a minimum.
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muganda
#26 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2018 12:59:31 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
The biggest risk I see here is assets verses liability maturity mismatch. The assets (properties) do take time to develop and sell, while the financial liabilities (funding of the properties) mainly have a maturity of less than 1 year.

What or which are the rest of the risks?

My second biggest risk is the company not being able to find additional funds to complete the many massive property developments that it is undertaking simultaneously.

Over to others wazuans to add on the risks.


Cost of funding far exceeds profit on property.
+ at 21% +(perhaps what IPO hopes to partly resolve)


Downturn in construction sector (evidenced by bank loans, cement companies results)


Depth of ownership (perhaps what IPO hopes to partly resolve)
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Horton
#27 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:22:32 PM
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Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
muganda wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
The biggest risk I see here is assets verses liability maturity mismatch. The assets (properties) do take time to develop and sell, while the financial liabilities (funding of the properties) mainly have a maturity of less than 1 year.

What or which are the rest of the risks?

My second biggest risk is the company not being able to find additional funds to complete the many massive property developments that it is undertaking simultaneously.

Over to others wazuans to add on the risks.


Cost of funding far exceeds profit on property.
+ at 21% +(perhaps what IPO hopes to partly resolve)


Downturn in construction sector (evidenced by bank loans, cement companies results)


Depth of ownership (perhaps what IPO hopes to partly resolve)






Some more speculations. I guess it’s what we in Wazua do best....speculate
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aemathenge
#28 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:43:58 PM
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Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
Horton wrote:
muganda wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
The biggest risk I see here is assets verses liability maturity mismatch. The assets (properties) do take time to develop and sell, while the financial liabilities (funding of the properties) mainly have a maturity of less than 1 year.

What or which are the rest of the risks?

My second biggest risk is the company not being able to find additional funds to complete the many massive property developments that it is undertaking simultaneously.

Over to others wazuans to add on the risks.


Cost of funding far exceeds profit on property.
+ at 21% +(perhaps what IPO hopes to partly resolve)


Downturn in construction sector (evidenced by bank loans, cement companies results)


Depth of ownership (perhaps what IPO hopes to partly resolve)


Some more speculations. I guess it’s what we in Wazua do best....speculate

No, some of us are oxy-whatevers, others are speculators but you, you are what? investment genius, Guru?

So, how about we play a game.

For everyone who gives the "wrong" information about Cytonn, how about you give us the real picture or a proven fact we do not know?

Do we have an accord?
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muganda
#29 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:38:13 PM
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Posts: 3,907
Horton wrote:

Some more speculations. I guess it’s what we in Wazua do best....speculate



Quite unfair, everything in life has a risk. The risks listed are not opinions. An opinion states whether Cytonn is a good investment or not Shame on you
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2012
#30 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:45:45 PM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
I would never touch. Cytonn has never made sense to me. In my personal opinion, this has always been the end game.

BBI will solve it :)
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