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ARM Cement FY 2017 disaster - 6.5bn loss
Angelica _ann
#21 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 9:03:46 AM
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xxxxx wrote:
obiero wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me

They certainly saved you


You don't know what you're missing


Missing being slaughtered!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
sparkly
#22 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 9:11:56 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#23 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 10:27:49 AM
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sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
sparkly
#24 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 10:44:20 AM
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obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#25 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 11:48:09 AM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
xxxxx
#26 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 12:58:54 PM
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obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%



Hahahaha..clearly the patrons at the exchange bar don't understand ARMCEMENT.
sparkly
#27 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 1:07:52 PM
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obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


Let us bet. I pay you 1,000 if it touches 1bob and you pay me 1,000 if it doesnt.
Life is short. Live passionately.
mlennyma
#28 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 4:24:00 PM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


Let us bet. I pay you 1,000 if it touches 1bob and you pay me 1,000 if it doesnt.

Send it to me I will be a faithful referee
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#29 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 4:38:06 PM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


Let us bet. I pay you 1,000 if it touches 1bob and you pay me 1,000 if it doesnt.

Can you collect my 100k from @Obiero while you are at it?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#30 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 5:05:39 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


Let us bet. I pay you 1,000 if it touches 1bob and you pay me 1,000 if it doesnt.

Can you collect my 100k from @Obiero while you are at it?

Don't you think CMA can suspend this thing anytime?
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Spikes
#31 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 6:43:54 PM
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obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


The 6bn loss is already reflected in the current price. Kes 1 Bob will not print tomorrow. Just like it took several years KQ to print 2/ bob we expect ARM to print 1/ bob in some years to come if loss making persists .
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Metch
#32 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 7:08:42 PM
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Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


The 6bn loss is already reflected in the current price. Kes 1 Bob will not print tomorrow. Just like it took several years KQ to print 2/ bob we expect ARM to print 1/ bob in some years to come if loss making persists .


The price had factored in a loss, yes. But not one of such magnitude. I can't predict the depth of tomorrow's fall. But I can foresee a lousy week for those aboard
Start!
sparkly
#33 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 7:15:03 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
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Location: Enk are Nyirobi
mlennyma wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


Let us bet. I pay you 1,000 if it touches 1bob and you pay me 1,000 if it doesnt.

Send it to me I will be a faithful referee


If @Obiero agrees which shouldn't be a problem since he is 100% sure.
Life is short. Live passionately.
sparkly
#34 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 7:18:49 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


Let us bet. I pay you 1,000 if it touches 1bob and you pay me 1,000 if it doesnt.

Can you collect my 100k from @Obiero while you are at it?


He needs it to defend the KQ open offer.
Life is short. Live passionately.
heri
#35 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 7:34:37 PM
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obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Doesn't the 10% rule apply ?
sparkly
#36 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 7:44:44 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


Let us bet. I pay you 1,000 if it touches 1bob and you pay me 1,000 if it doesnt.

Can you collect my 100k from @Obiero while you are at it?

Don't you think CMA can suspend this thing anytime?


A possibility but trading is about taking calculated risks.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#37 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 8:12:04 PM
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heri wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Doesn't the 10% rule apply ?

It doesn’t upon results release

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
muandiwambeu
#38 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2018 8:56:33 PM
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Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
obiero wrote:
heri wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Doesn't the 10% rule apply ?

It doesn’t upon results release

Atleast I agree with obiero on this one. My Fren if you are inside with both your two legs and the third leg or you let someone of such callibre to inside of you with is complete set of paraphernalia, just take a chill pill that can last you till Friday to ask what happened to your niny. Safcom will wait till I repay their msuruari thing. I hard to struggle with my emotions on this one. Looked damn oversold, now I don't know whether to say damn princely it's. Wah. Never mix these things with emotions, always its your money that gets smitten anyway. @xxxx, what are your plans, this stock is in negative territory for all I care and I can not figure out after missing your 4.7/=, and tomorrow being your only left trading window, how do you navigate the grand fall. Maombi ndio Naitaji mie atleast nilipe Bob pesa yake. Otherwise, this shall be a forced marriage for a long time.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
VituVingiSana
#39 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2018 12:35:54 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,107
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Are you sure?

100%


Let us bet. I pay you 1,000 if it touches 1bob and you pay me 1,000 if it doesnt.

Can you collect my 100k from @Obiero while you are at it?


He needs it to defend the KQ open offer.
I am trying to save him from himself!
BTW, Ohana said KK is doing well in (YTD) 2018. I should have said FY 2018 not FY 2017. Sad
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
xxxxx
#40 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2018 12:48:47 AM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
heri wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Greedy investors made my buy order at 2.50 not go through, I now think they saved me


To make money, follow the trend my fren.

Sub KES 1 is inevitable by tomorrow start of day


Doesn't the 10% rule apply ?

It doesn’t upon results release

Atleast I agree with obiero on this one. My Fren if you are inside with both your two legs and the third leg or you let someone of such callibre to inside of you with is complete set of paraphernalia, just take a chill pill that can last you till Friday to ask what happened to your niny. Safcom will wait till I repay their msuruari thing. I hard to struggle with my emotions on this one. Looked damn oversold, now I don't know whether to say damn princely it's. Wah. Never mix these things with emotions, always its your money that gets smitten anyway. @xxxx, what are your plans, this stock is in negative territory for all I care and I can not figure out after missing your 4.7/=, and tomorrow being your only left trading window, how do you navigate the grand fall. Maombi ndio Naitaji mie atleast nilipe Bob pesa yake. Otherwise, this shall be a forced marriage for a long time.


Sasa, I told u that this is a 10 year investment for me. The changes made to the board by CDC should tell you that their idea is to trim the fat and prepare for an exit as soon as possible. On the board, Konstantin Makarov, Sofia Bianchi and Rohit Anand are there to prepare for CDC's exit most likely through a sale of their stake to a n external investor on or off the trading floor. They are either already aware of, or will be apprised of what the strategic buyer needs to take up this stake as well as the timelines. I can promise you, that as night follows day, CDC will not exit this investment at such a big loss (Currently at kes37 and which is projected to be kes39 come Monday's closing bell). Intact, exiting at even half of this loss is not palatable to them. Therefore, as long as this is the case, I am willing to consider this investment as a WORK OUT (In Buffettspeak). Adding to my stake on Monday will bring my average buying price to kes1 and I am willing to wait and see how this works out as an investment even if it requires 10 years.

Moreover, the auditors disclaimer opinion was really a function of the failure by @ArmCement to conclude the transaction of the sale of the equity stake to the strategic partner and provide such feedback within the auditor's reporting window. Nothing else. @ArmCement's current assets have always been much much less than its current assets. Infact it was worse in prior years. The difference this year is that, in view of the troubles, the auditor felt that all the non current liabilities should also be treated as current liabilities.

Its just that the headline noise is too loud and it's crowding out the rightsizing work being done by CDC.

Napoleon had his waterloo, VVS had his KQ phase 1 under Naikuni, Obiero is currently enduring his KQ phase 2 ama KQ lending Co. Let this be my @ARMCementDrool Drool Drool
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