Kaigangio wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:@Lolest wacha kumanganga and stick to the topic! From what I have explained above about the admission and working of the Ciaama cia Athuri could you please point out what these Ciamas do that the church does not do.
By the way, circumcision of girls has never been and was never an agenda in Ciama activities and deliberations and was never dealt with at Ciama level.
That part which you've not mentioned. The part for offering sacrifices to ancestors.
That's worship.
That is what the PCEA church young pastors want you to believe but all that is nonsense or rubbish to be precise.
There is no one time when the Agikuyu people made offerings to the ancestors...never did.
Any offering/sacrifices that were directed to Ngai (God) or that required God's intervention were done to God and only to God Alone under a Mugumo tree and only under a Mugumo tree.
Any other ritual or ceremony that necessitated the slaughtering of a sheep was only directed at that particular event and could be carried out anywhere else in the bush either under a tree or on an open space.
The Agikuyu "pastors" who performed these sacrifices (that were directed towards God) were not any ordinary people picked from nowhere and planted there like the church does. These were people who had been picked from Ciama cia Athuri and who had undergone all the stages of Kiama hierachy and were known to be thorough and just in their judgements, people who had won community and Ciama accolades from their past achievements both as parents and leaders within the community, people whose integrity could not be questioned, people who had already finished family task of bearing any more children as in they were old (over 70 years). The mantle was passed on to these people not by the Ciama but their predicessors who were also Ciama members.
ok.
With the fear of being called a stalker and anti-kaiganjio. Ill say this.
That's bullllllllshit.
Masukuma shall tell you that africans reaching the age of 50 was amazing.
But forget science. Let me tell you what I've seen. And know.
Ciama cia athuri was a noble idea. Where men or women who have done special things had special status.
But let's look at the Ciamas now.
The only way you can become a ciama member is to behave like a ciama member. Steal, and make money. Say it's not so.
I have been invited to many ciamas. I have seen some of the people there and I was like...ouch..how?
These people right now are trying to get to you with previous Kikuyu traditions. But the same people will tell you to vote for a thief. A known thief.
There's no ciama here.
Ni kudanganywa tu.
Now I want to hear that I've been cursed.
By lazy drunkards who have no problem stealing land from Atheni.
These so called ciama people only turn up for mbuzis. So many people in central have died. Shot by the police, had an accident, got a cold. You will never see these things called ciamas. But please buy a goat. Ndio haooooooo. With famous Kikuyu proverbs.
I'm a Christian. I don't believe your shit!!! Mtado wah???
If you want to be with PCEA, kaa na PCEA. If you want to thai thai thai nonsence, then move on to Mungiki. Apana jifanya hapa.
If you go to church on Sunday and still believe in thai thai thai nonsense, you are a fool. There's a difference between behavior and religion.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?