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PCEA vs Kikuyu Kiama
Lolest!
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:12:01 AM
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That fight between the biggest church in Kikuyuland in the colonial days is back. Back then it was about female circumcision and traditional dances, today, it's something called mburi ya kiama.

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https://web.facebook.com/pceaonline/

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Rahatupu
#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:11:43 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
That fight between the biggest church in Kikuyuland in the colonial days is back. Back then it was about female circumcision and traditional dances, today, it's something called mburi ya kiama.

The bile on that post on their fb pageSad See comments
https://web.facebook.com/pceaonline/



At this rate they will even oppose circumcision. Let the kiama kia ma be its one of the few items of custom that remains after the "church" demonised all else.
wal6807
#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:12:03 AM
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what is is this ceremony? never heard an of my rela's , inlaws ,parents /grand parents mention it?
"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers."
•Socrates (470?-399 BC)
Lolest!
#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:34:40 AM
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wal6807 wrote:
what is is this ceremony? never heard an of my rela's , inlaws ,parents /grand parents mention it?

You must be from a staunch Christian family
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Lolest!
#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:37:44 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
That fight between the biggest church in Kikuyuland in the colonial days is back. Back then it was about female circumcision and traditional dances, today, it's something called mburi ya kiama.

The bile on that post on their fb pageSad See comments
https://web.facebook.com/pceaonline/



At this rate they will even oppose circumcision. Let the kiama kia ma be its one of the few items of custom that remains after the "church" demonised all else.

The church is right

They are simply discouraging this rite as it is very religious in nature with steps like sacrificing to ancestors
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kawi254
#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:42:40 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
That fight between the biggest church in Kikuyuland in the colonial days is back. Back then it was about female circumcision and traditional dances, today, it's something called mburi ya kiama.

The bile on that post on their fb pageSad See comments
https://web.facebook.com/pceaonline/



At this rate they will even oppose circumcision. Let the kiama kia ma be its one of the few items of custom that remains after the "church" demonised all else.


Asking for the Latin speakers, "What is mburi cia kiama ?"
Much Know
#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:06:41 PM
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kawi254 wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
That fight between the biggest church in Kikuyuland in the colonial days is back. Back then it was about female circumcision and traditional dances, today, it's something called mburi ya kiama.

The bile on that post on their fb pageSad See comments
https://web.facebook.com/pceaonline/



At this rate they will even oppose circumcision. Let the kiama kia ma be its one of the few items of custom that remains after the "church" demonised all else.


Asking for the Latin speakers, "What is mburi cia kiama ?"

Kiamas do not practice a "homogeneous" philosophy and ideology, thats foolishness and idiocy. The famous GEMA founded by Jomo and publicly opposed by the same PCEA some years back as an "oathing secret demonic society" is an example of a "modern" political kiama idea, the church wanted everyone speaking english, saluting the Queen, etc made generalizations, and were paid in CASH by mzungu to destroy Jomos reputation even after independence, , kiamas objectives and missions vary, some are bad, and openly evil, like kiama kia nkoma, some FAKE, some for hunters kiama kia athii in shags, and they would have a lodge for meeting called nyumba ya athii, there is one still located in my village, but was changed to a primary school ages ago, some focus on God/Christian (eg a certain portion of "so called" njuri ncheke over the last 70 years or so is christian, and the methodist church from majuu in colonial times and DC's like the lamberts ensured they were inducted there by blessing njuri hence it is split into two by a shuka), some centered on views of historically GEMA people, "mburi" is a "fee", generalization of kiamas as ancestral worship centers and anti church is the same kind of ignorant talk that was used to kill our ancestors, and they seem hell bent on perpetuating.
Ras Kienyeji Man
wal6807
#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:19:00 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
wal6807 wrote:
what is is this ceremony? never heard an of my rela's , inlaws ,parents /grand parents mention it?

You must be from a staunch Christian family


I first heard of this in the office that is why am suspicious of it to me its more like a shadowy group seeking "donations" more like matatu route wazee's
"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers."
•Socrates (470?-399 BC)
Wakanyugi
#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:22:23 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
That fight between the biggest church in Kikuyuland in the colonial days is back. Back then it was about female circumcision and traditional dances, today, it's something called mburi ya kiama.

The bile on that post on their fb pageSad See comments
https://web.facebook.com/pceaonline/



At this rate they will even oppose circumcision. Let the kiama kia ma be its one of the few items of custom that remains after the "church" demonised all else.


This one the PCEA Church is going to lose and badly. Watch as the trickle out becomes a stampede.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Much Know
#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:52:39 PM
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Joined: 12/6/2008
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Sometimes i think there is a conspiracy behind the history of the Kenyan churches enrolling school failures and mtu unajua alipata D- in CRE etc when you were scoring B has gone to some college and is a pastor, unakuta ni pastor kwa kanisa shouting about kiamas, even today, Theology only attracts desperadoes who have nowhere to go and they miserably fail to understand the Bible other than what is dictated to them by their "masters" abroad. Most of the street preachers ONLY hope to get enrolled in a theological college and find there way to America or for their kids, or to do a crusade with a mzungu pastor in their poster, if they are "smart" enough, open their own church like pastor mboro!
Ras Kienyeji Man
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