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I like the reasoning that this thread has attracted. I am so happy to learn that most of those that have commented on this matter are very sharp and intelligent. Am so happy to be involved in such. However, why would humans want to live forever? Why would you want to live up to 100 years? I believe that once i am no longer of any economic or social use, i should just die. to me, living byond 80-85 should be classified as a liability. Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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tycho wrote:Most humans know very little of themselves to be able to answer your question @Masukuma.
The matter seems to be about people dieing before their expected date rather than people dieing per se.
What a human's natural lifespan is, is something else that's under no consensus.
But for me humans are meant to be immortal. Humans live forever through their offspring.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:tycho wrote:Most humans know very little of themselves to be able to answer your question @Masukuma.
The matter seems to be about people dieing before their expected date rather than people dieing per se.
What a human's natural lifespan is, is something else that's under no consensus.
But for me humans are meant to be immortal. Humans live forever through their offspring. Please, humans are invisible to the naked eye. The live body You see, can't be the human. It may try to instantiate a human. That's all.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:I like the reasoning that this thread has attracted. I am so happy to learn that most of those that have commented on this matter are very sharp and intelligent. Am so happy to be involved in such.
However, why would humans want to live forever? Why would you want to live up to 100 years? I believe that once i am no longer of any economic or social use, i should just die. to me, living byond 80-85 should be classified as a liability. I'm religious so I obviously believe that matters death belong to God. That said, what would you say about a senior citizen over 85 who has the means and is not a bother to anybody? Say like Kirubi or Moi, shouldn't they live longer? I just feel that through your argument, life becomes meaningless. I would like to hear from you what your opinion on the purpose of life is. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:I like the reasoning that this thread has attracted. I am so happy to learn that most of those that have commented on this matter are very sharp and intelligent. Am so happy to be involved in such.
However, why would humans want to live forever? Why would you want to live up to 100 years? I believe that once i am no longer of any economic or social use, i should just die. to me, living byond 80-85 should be classified as a liability. It's not that humans just want to live forever. The case is that they remember that they are eternal.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:I like the reasoning that this thread has attracted. I am so happy to learn that most of those that have commented on this matter are very sharp and intelligent. Am so happy to be involved in such.
However, why would humans want to live forever? Why would you want to live up to 100 years? I believe that once i am no longer of any economic or social use, i should just die. to me, living byond 80-85 should be classified as a liability. I'm not sure religious so I obviously believe that matters death belong to God. That said, what would you say about a senior citizen over 85 who has the means and is not a bother to anybody? Say like Kirubi or Moi, shouldn't they live longer? As long as you are human, you are a bother to somebody.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:2012 wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:I like the reasoning that this thread has attracted. I am so happy to learn that most of those that have commented on this matter are very sharp and intelligent. Am so happy to be involved in such.
However, why would humans want to live forever? Why would you want to live up to 100 years? I believe that once i am no longer of any economic or social use, i should just die. to me, living byond 80-85 should be classified as a liability. I'm not sure religious so I obviously believe that matters death belong to God. That said, what would you say about a senior citizen over 85 who has the means and is not a bother to anybody? Say like Kirubi or Moi, shouldn't they live longer? As long as you are human, you are a bother to somebody. Not necessarily. Sometimes people bother you and others want you to exit so they can take your hard earned wealth. Also, with love and honest friendship, there's no bother. I personally don't think I'm a bother to anybody, I'm super self reliant and I do not allow people to be a bother to me. Actually, coming to think about it, I don't see people as a bother, just people who need a bit of uplifting and a boost once in a while. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:tycho wrote:2012 wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:I like the reasoning that this thread has attracted. I am so happy to learn that most of those that have commented on this matter are very sharp and intelligent. Am so happy to be involved in such.
However, why would humans want to live forever? Why would you want to live up to 100 years? I believe that once i am no longer of any economic or social use, i should just die. to me, living byond 80-85 should be classified as a liability. I'm not sure religious so I obviously believe that matters death belong to God. That said, what would you say about a senior citizen over 85 who has the means and is not a bother to anybody? Say like Kirubi or Moi, shouldn't they live longer? As long as you are human, you are a bother to somebody. Not necessarily. Sometimes people bother you and others want you to exit so they can take your hard earned wealth. Also, with love and honest friendship, there's no bother. Others are bothered just because you exercise your will. The mother is a great bother to the infant. The infant to the mother. Our world is a world of perpetual conflict. It's human nature.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Until fairly recently humans thought the golden age was in the past. there was no new knowledge - until we admitted ignorance and started trying to solve some of these problems. Simple thing like Lightning were once shrouded in mystery.. Mungu atakupiga radi...Thor the god of lightning! We kinda figured out this and now.. we do know how to arrest it. Poverty is another issue - Jesus himself once told his disciples that 'the poor you will always have with you'. slowly by slowly we are realizing that being poor is not a 'divine' problem...it's a technical problem - heck there are countries that really don't have 'poor' in the destitute state we had. people don't die of hunger as it used to be. Who says death is not a 'technical' problem? what if death is like many problems that were once seen as divine such as sterility and even gender selection before and are now 'technical' problems? what if in the next 100 years humans figure out how to live much longer than expected? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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We could read a book by Asimov: 'Of time and space and other things'. It's on PDF for free.
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