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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Cfc has predicted increased demand for cement in EA region. Competition will be tight esp from cheaper imports. Local producers faced with capacity constraints and high energy costs. They have given a HOLD recommendation for ARM and SELL for bamburi and EAPC. They say BAM is overvalued and EAPC inefficient. ARM to benefit from clinker plant. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:Cfc has predicted increased demand for cement in EA region. Competition will be tight esp from cheaper imports. Local producers faced with capacity constraints and high energy costs. They have given a HOLD recommendation for ARM and SELL for bamburi and EAPC. They say BAM is overvalued and EAPC inefficient. ARM to benefit from clinker plant. @sparkly i agree totally with this analysis... Bamburi cannot match last years results due to the one off capital gains but i'm not sure about EAPC because the stock has a really low P/E and ARM is a perfect cement firm to hold... As for the energy costs doesnt CFC forsee these falling next year due to reduced usage of thermal power???? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/24/2008 Posts: 781
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he he he quite comical,ati Bamburi OVERVALUED...they dont come better than this mhhh...Bamburi had a normalised increase in EPS of 21% as compared to 28% increase in ARM.P/E of Bamb is 12.5(without the one off gains),ARM is 18...commonsense stuff! The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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ARM'sgrowth has been phenomenon in the last 10 years or so, but is nevertheless a small company. Bamburi must be like 5 times bigger than ARM (i dont have the exact figures). Bamburi also has a 40% stake in EAPC. ARM has a PE of 20 and a DY of 1.16% while Bamburi PE is 11.9 and DY 5.53%. ARM is highly geared, loans and corporate bonds. Bamburi mostly equity. If any of those companies has the ability to weather the so called "competition from cheap imports" that company IMO is Bamburi. Once again the analysts have shown us why we should not rely on them. The are clearly in love with GROWTH STOCKS. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,066
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@Sparkly the DY for Bamburi adjusted for this year's special Capital Gains on sales of ARM shares is actually lower than 3%(5.5/200). The level of 9 bob per share is unlikely to be replicated next year.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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My 2 cents wrote:@Sparkly the DY for Bamburi adjusted for this year's special Capital Gains on sales of ARM shares is actually lower than 3%(5.5/200). The level of 9 bob per share is unlikely to be replicated next year. @my 2 cents i agree. The special div is historical and obviously factored into the current price. Our mkt would not be that inefficient. CFC is convinced that only Bamburi will cede mkt share to mombasa cement, cemtech and the cheap imports, while ARM will grab more mkt share. IMO Bamburi has the resources to pull a Safaricom. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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ARM growing in Tanzania. Bamburi cannot grow in any countries except Kenya & Uganda (Hima Cement) since Bamburi's PARENT (LaFarge) has interests all over the place... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,066
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Reason why I love this stock is because they are soooo cash rich, almost no debt and costs are tightly controlled. And with all the construction craze right now, there is more than enough business for all the players.
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Rank: User Joined: 5/9/2010 Posts: 1,418 Location: Nai
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@sparkly how right u were. I hope those who read ur post held . Not only to see ARM post very nice first half profits but also to sell a considerable share price appreciation ! Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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i still feel BAMB will grow LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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Hasn't this Cement Stocks overheat?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:Once again the analysts have shown us why we should not rely on them.
The are clearly in love with GROWTH STOCKS. @sparkly one thing you have to understand is that brokers make their recommendations based on short term... So if they said sell bamburi please sell because the price will start to fall. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/24/2008 Posts: 781
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U do understand any small improvement in sales will lead to over 50% profits going foward The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/17/2009 Posts: 1,619
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ARM half year is up 16%,annualized EPS is at 7.02.So why the recent rise in the share price?
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Rank: User Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 709 Location: Velayat-e Faryab
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sparkly wrote:Cfc has predicted increased demand for cement in EA region. Competition will be tight esp from cheaper imports. Local producers faced with capacity constraints and high energy costs. They have given a HOLD recommendation for ARM and SELL for bamburi and EAPC. They say BAM is overvalued and EAPC inefficient. ARM to benefit from clinker plant. For the first time, I agree with CFC financials. Look at this Net profit after tax dropped by 20 per cent to Tsh10.3 billion ($7 million) from Tsh12.8 billion ($ 8.5 million) registered during the corresponding period last year. This resulted in a drop in earnings per share from Tsh201 ($0.134) to Tsh161 ($0.107). http://www.theeastafrica...56/-/wuftm/-/index.html
Go overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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sparkly wrote:ARM'sgrowth has been phenomenon in the last 10 years or so, but is nevertheless a small company.
Bamburi must be like 5 times bigger than ARM (i dont have the exact figures). Bamburi also has a 40% stake in EAPC.
ARM has a PE of 20 and a DY of 1.16% while Bamburi PE is 11.9 and DY 5.53%.
ARM is highly geared, loans and corporate bonds. Bamburi mostly equity.
If any of those companies has the ability to weather the so called "competition from cheap imports" that company IMO is Bamburi.
Once again the analysts have shown us why we should not rely on them.
The are clearly in love with GROWTH STOCKS. TBT. Bad luck for those who sold Bamburi and held ARM. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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[quote=sparkly][quote=sparkly]ARM'sgrowth has been phenomenon in the last 10 years or so, but is nevertheless a small company. Bamburi must be like 5 times bigger than ARM (i dont have the exact figures). Bamburi also has a 40% stake in EAPC. ARM has a PE of 20 and a DY of 1.16% while Bamburi PE is 11.9 and DY 5.53%. ARM is highly geared, loans and corporate bonds. Bamburi mostly equity. If any of those companies has the ability to weather the so called "competition from cheap imports" that company IMO is Bamburi.
Once again the analysts have shown us why we should not rely on them.The are clearly in love with GROWTH STOCKS. ............................................................................................. Bamburi-already matured.No growth potential. ARM-still struggling to stand up.High potential for growth especially after the cash injection from UK firm,CDC. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Ebenyo wrote:[quote=sparkly][quote=sparkly]ARM'sgrowth has been phenomenon in the last 10 years or so, but is nevertheless a small company.
Bamburi must be like 5 times bigger than ARM (i dont have the exact figures). Bamburi also has a 40% stake in EAPC.
ARM has a PE of 20 and a DY of 1.16% while Bamburi PE is 11.9 and DY 5.53%.
ARM is highly geared, loans and corporate bonds. Bamburi mostly equity.
If any of those companies has the ability to weather the so called "competition from cheap imports" that company IMO is Bamburi.
Once again the analysts have shown us why we should not rely on them.
The are clearly in love with GROWTH STOCKS.
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Bamburi-already matured.No growth potential. ARM-still struggling to stand up.High potential for growth especially after the cash injection from UK firm,CDC.
I have done some small research on cement consumption in the various places that duty takes me to. These are my observations: For home building purposesCoast:ARM, Bamburi, Mombasa Cement...note that Mombasa cement has edged out ARM in this market Lower EasternSimba cement , Portland/blue shield, Bamburi NairobiPortland, Bamburi Central and RiftPortland, Simba, Bamburi, Rai For heavy duty cement/ready mix(for Skyscrapper, Storied buildings, Roads, Railways, Ports, Airports) Coast:Bamburi, ARM Lower EasternBamburi NairobiSavannah, Bamburi, ARM Central and Rift valleyBamburi Anyone who can estimate ARM market share? Anyone who has a different opinion on which cement company is dominant where? Everywhere i go, i see lots of infrastructure coming up. Erstwhile sleepy towns like Voi, Kilifi, Malindi, Embu, Wote, Machakos are now dotted with yellow cranes and ready mix concrete trucks and shacman tippers are all over these places ferrying rubble(hardcore) and cement. From my observation Bamburi is the only visible company. Who is ARM selling their cement to? Why should i invest in ARM and not in Bamburi? Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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sparkly wrote:ARM'sgrowth has been phenomenon in the last 10 years or so, but is nevertheless a small company.
Bamburi must be like 5 times bigger than ARM (i dont have the exact figures). Bamburi also has a 40% stake in EAPC.
ARM has a PE of 20 and a DY of 1.16% while Bamburi PE is 11.9 and DY 5.53%.
ARM is highly geared, loans and corporate bonds. Bamburi mostly equity.
If any of those companies has the ability to weather the so called "competition from cheap imports" that company IMO is Bamburi.
Once again the analysts have shown us why we should not rely on them.
The are clearly in love with GROWTH STOCKS. Let us avoid highly indebted firms. Next on chopping block is KQ. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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sparkly wrote:sparkly wrote:ARM'sgrowth has been phenomenon in the last 10 years or so, but is nevertheless a small company.
Bamburi must be like 5 times bigger than ARM (i dont have the exact figures). Bamburi also has a 40% stake in EAPC.
ARM has a PE of 20 and a DY of 1.16% while Bamburi PE is 11.9 and DY 5.53%.
ARM is highly geared, loans and corporate bonds. Bamburi mostly equity.
If any of those companies has the ability to weather the so called "competition from cheap imports" that company IMO is Bamburi.
Once again the analysts have shown us why we should not rely on them.
The are clearly in love with GROWTH STOCKS. Let us avoid highly indebted firms. Next on chopping block is KQ. ARM was a good company with bad management. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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