Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Kusadikika wrote:tycho wrote:Kusadikika wrote:masukuma wrote:Kusadikika wrote:kawi254 wrote:Some small countries in Africa are not viable on their own and should be swallowed by their neighbors e.g
1. Malawi should be part of Zambia . They share similar ethnic group Chewa, Ngoni, Tonga...basically they are the same people.
2. Burundi should be taken over by Tanzania - virtually all Burundi people have been refugees in Tanzania.
3. Lesotho & Swaziland are just in some African Utopia and the sooner they become part of South Africa the better for them. Their citizens work and live in SA. I vehemently disagree.. (Miguna style). Tribe is the most natural basis for nationhood. Look at European countries, they are basically tribal kingdoms like eSwatini. Once people have their own kingdoms then they can engage in cooperating with one another as equals. What you are saying has been tried before with disastrous consequences. There was a guy called Tito who succeeded in creating one country called Yugoslavia that was made up of Serbs, Croats, Albanians, Slovenians etc. Walikosana vibaya sana. USSR survived for some 60 years before it also broke up but even for it to survive for as long as it did a lot of atrocities were committed by Stalin against small tribes. Stalin used to move whole ethnic groups from one place to another. Can you imagine all Luos being moved to Wajir or something like that. Check out this: https://en.wikipedia.org...fer_in_the_Soviet_Union
The more I read about these things the more I believe that Kenya even with all our bickering, tumejaribu. Wazungu just drew some lines around us and told us we are one country na tukakubali. If you think kenyans hate each other and that we have 'tribalism' wait until you get a Serb and an Albanian in the same room or a Russian and a Georgian uone moto! Switzerland is a viable county and it's rather small. Belgium has it's own issues between the Flemish and French. Spain and Catalonia? France and corsica? by the way Europe is full of these  The problem with Swaziland is not that it's small... it's that it's a kingdom! I remember talking to a mzungu in the US who had a professor at her university, a whole professor in a US university which means he is not an unenlightened guy.... anyway this guy I think was a Kurd, the ones who are in Iraq, Syria and Turkey. This naive American girl who was also relatively well read at some point mistakenly called the guy Turkish and she was telling me how she could not understand how the guy kasirikad. He was so enraged, it is like she had insulted him and he went on to give her a long lecture about her ignorance. The interesting thing is the guy spoke Turkish language but felt insulted to be called Turkish. Some of these hatreds are quite interesting, at least in Kenya even a Luo and Kikuyu look different physically and speak different languages; a Palestinian and Israeli on the other hand look exactly the same and speak the the same languages but cannot agree on anything. @Kusadikika, you think there's an absolute and objective difference between a Luo and a Kikuyu that even a Palestinian and an Israeli can observe? And what's the probability that it's only the Kikuyus and the Luos who you know are distinguishable and many other peoples have such dichotomies but are indistinguishable? Obviously, odds are that your world-view is fooling you. And since you are enlightened enough to know who'd be enlightened, then clearly, there must be something wrong about our ideas of 'enlightenment'. @tycho I used the word enlightened loosely to mean that he would be the kind of guy having travelled far from his origin and met people from other parts of the world would be understanding of being mistaken for somebody else. Many Kenyans in the US get mistaken for Nigerians, Jamaicans and Haitians a lot. As for Luos and Kikuyu...... well do you think anybody in Kenya would mistake Robert Alai for a Kikuyu or Sabina Chege for a Luo? Hehehe. Mzungu believes all black people are the same. But an African can tell between a Congolese, Nigerian, Kenyan. A Nigerian will further tell btw a Hausa or igbo while ghenyans will readily identify a joluo from okuyo. Mwafrika also thinks all msungus are the same. But a msungu will tell between an Irish, Scot, German, spaniard, greek or Russian. In the east Koreans, chinese, thai, filipino are also different. The world should just embrace its diversity. Yes but you don't take offence when mislabed -sio? Once huko majuu a msungu couldn't understand why me, a black Kenyan and a Senegalese couldn't communicate and needed a translator. You mean both of you didn't speak Afrikaans?  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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