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Patel Dam in Nakuru
hardwood
#51 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 1:47:36 PM
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Patel was not spared......all the greenhouses have been swept clean.





hardwood
#52 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 1:51:37 PM
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What was left of people's homes. Sad. Maji kweli sio mchezo.




Kusadikika
#53 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 3:07:09 PM
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murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
Who wants to bet that nothing will happen to Patel? Who will bet against?


What should happen and why? Kiulizo tu? What happemed to Kengen - Garissa residents when kiambere released its water?


For something to happen someone needs to do some leg work. One way of doing this is to follow the legal channels but it takes a lot of work. If there are real lawyers who care about justice this would be a perfect case.

Collect all media coverage of the events both print and digital.. I would even go further and collect all raw footage that never made it on air.

Send a few people to Solai to interview all people affected. Relatives who lost loved ones, people injured and in hospital, people who lost properties. Well written sworn affidavits.

Start collecting local information on everything about that dam. Contractors, engineers, interview everybody who ever worked on that dam or on the farm.

Go to any government office and all information from everyone who ever made any communication with the owners about the dam. There is talk that the owner was advised to legalise the dams but he ignored. All these correspondence from any government agency must be collected. All reports by the local people either to police or to whatever authority that made any reports should be collected.

When you have all this information you need to retreat for a very long time as you build your case. Wait until things have cooled down for even one year. When you have all your facts and a mountain of evidence look for Judge Odunga and start suing: you will be suing Patel and all government agencies involved.

The details may not be exactly as outlined above but the point is you can never make a case effectively without evidence. Kenyans are the laziest people when it comes to gathering evidence because it is a lot of work. If you do your homework and put in the hours there are judges in Kenya now who will be willing to hear you.


hardwood
#54 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 3:17:16 PM
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murchr
#55 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 3:20:17 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
Who wants to bet that nothing will happen to Patel? Who will bet against?


What should happen and why? Kiulizo tu? What happemed to Kengen - Garissa residents when kiambere released its water?


For something to happen someone needs to do some leg work. One way of doing this is to follow the legal channels but it takes a lot of work. If there are real lawyers who care about justice this would be a perfect case.

Collect all media coverage of the events both print and digital.. I would even go further and collect all raw footage that never made it on air.

Send a few people to Solai to interview all people affected. Relatives who lost loved ones, people injured and in hospital, people who lost properties. Well written sworn affidavits.

Start collecting local information on everything about that dam. Contractors, engineers, interview everybody who ever worked on that dam or on the farm.

Go to any government office and all information from everyone who ever made any communication with the owners about the dam. There is talk that the owner was advised to legalise the dams but he ignored. All these correspondence from any government agency must be collected. All reports by the local people either to police or to whatever authority that made any reports should be collected.

When you have all this information you need to retreat for a very long time as you build your case. Wait until things have cooled down for even one year. When you have all your facts and a mountain of evidence look for Judge Odunga and start suing: you will be suing Patel and all government agencies involved.

The details may not be exactly as outlined above but the point is you can never make a case effectively without evidence. Kenyans are the laziest people when it comes to gathering evidence because it is a lot of work. If you do your homework and put in the hours there are judges in Kenya now who will be willing to hear you.




What is to legalize a dam? And why would you go to the high court in Machakos and not Nakuru?

The body that can approve or disapprove an existence of such a dam is Nema, if they approved knowing there are issues with it they and only they can be sued, otherwise even Patel is innocent, he was solving an environmental problem
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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hardwood
#56 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 3:21:20 PM
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"Patel" blames the weather, nature........eti the heavy rain in ndundori forest carried boulders and trees stumps that were swept into the dam and broke the wall. He says dam was > 20yrs and other dams on the farm are 60yr old. He has been farming there for 70yrs.

Murenju
#57 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 3:22:50 PM
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Someone at the relevant ministry is sleeping on the job and my guess is as good as yours.
Knock hard and it will be opened. Ask and you will be answered. Seek and you shall find.
hardwood
#58 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 3:33:59 PM
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Murenju wrote:
Someone at the relevant ministry is sleeping on the job and my guess is as good as yours.


The ministry guys would have given it "a clean bill of health" if they had inspected before it collapsed.




obiero
#59 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 3:47:35 PM
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murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
Who wants to bet that nothing will happen to Patel? Who will bet against?


What should happen and why? Kiulizo tu? What happemed to Kengen - Garissa residents when kiambere released its water?

Even the Pipeline flame victims were never compensated. Hapa Kenya ni wewe na mungu wako, though Matiangi directive to controlled emptying of the other dams is in order, for regularization purposes
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
2012
#60 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2018 4:30:20 PM
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alma1 wrote:
2012 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
2012 wrote:
Who wants to bet that nothing will happen to Patel? Who will bet against?



If you hire an engineer and contractor to build you a dam, then it collapses, who should take the blame? The engineer and contractor of course. They should even compensate you for the millions you poured on the project. Infact the contractor is required to have insurance to cover any damages emanating from his works. In this case the contractor should pay Patel and all those killed or injured. The engineer and contractor should also be de-registered from their professional bodies.

http://www.markham-group...tractor-have-insurance/

In the old days (ancient times) architects, engineers and contractors who built bridges were forced to stand under the bridge when it was being used for the first time so that they could pay with their lives if it collapsed. For domestic houses, an architect was required to surrender his son to be hanged if a clients house collapsed injuring his family. These measures ensured quality workmanship by professionals.



Not always. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with the engineering but negligence by the owner after and who knows if they even used a certified engineer or quarks? So let's go the Kenyan way and commission 'speedy investigations' and dump the files in the dust pile.


Patel probably has each and every politician in Nakuru in their pockets. And I mean all of them. I saw all of them on TV talking about "natural disaster" due to heavy rains. So you know where those "investigations" are going to end.

What is shocking is that the very people who were harmed by Patel will be same ones who will "kumira kumira, mundu witu" in 2022.

Patel builds 6 dams denying them water for years. They are the ones who will tell you that Patel is good since he gives them "free" piped water.

Why should you feel sorry for such people? They seem to love the cookie that's been handed to them.


Masukuma's model of voting for one's own interest is what these people need. But they will corrupt their need. They will end up "needing", charo nefa mbe. Their true needs are right there. They will instead see the needs of some miraculous fella who shall save all of them together.

Sad..But...that's things work in Kenya.

Anyway, whats the latest on Miguna? We need to move on from this story chap chap...Too much misery affecting these poor people.


I feel sorry for them because they don't know better. The system has always worked to keep them poor and desperate for hand outs. I hope they are educating their children because that's the only hope they have.

BBI will solve it
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