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Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did. This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did. 3. Matiba is an over glorified hero If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did. This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free. May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Ngalaka wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did. This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free. May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu. If you applauded the malema speech during winnie's burial, then you should also be happy with "the naming" at matiba's requiem. You cant support forthrightness when it happens in SA but condemn it if same occurs in KE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hardwood wrote:Ngalaka wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did. This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free. May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu. If you applauded the malema speech during winnie's burial, then you should also be happy with "the naming" at matiba's requiem. You cant support forthrightness when it happens in SA but condemn it if same occurs in KE. Did Malema name anybody? Not that I liked his overhyped speech
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did. This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free. Are we now free?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2008 Posts: 489
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Ngalaka wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did. This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free. May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu. Its just a case soar grapes really. Again, why Ken when there were many Kenyans before and at the time who made greater sacrifices? Where was he when Jaramogi, his son and Mwakenya fellows were being detained? We read elsewhere in this forum that Ken was pro-establishment in the colonial days; at a time his fellow village mates were losing land and life fighting to regain self rule. And he'd have remained pretty much loyal but for losing favour with his hitherto friend, Moi. My point is that were it not for the decline in his health and finances -for which he wasn't entirely blameless-Matiba's claim to heroism would have been much less dramatic. Just look at his comrade Charles Rubia. There's a cabal around him who never forgave MK for registering DP as if repealing of S1(2) was meant to be a personal reward to the former. He too turned down an invitation to join DP terming it "a big joke". It's this sense of self-entitlement and arrogance that broke the initial Ford and almost gifted Kanu a much needed seat in Central during the Kipipiri by-election but MK, who understood Moi better, saw through this and fielded a candidate. This cabal naively believe Ken would have beaten Moi in that poll and worse, that even in his poor state of health, he would still have made a better president. You may revisit the charade that became City Hall after '92 and Ken's inability to manage the office of LOO if in doubt. Yes he did his part, but in the struggle against Moism, there are better claimants to that high pedestal. May he RIP.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Lolest! wrote:hardwood wrote:Ngalaka wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did. This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free. May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu. If you applauded the malema speech during winnie's burial, then you should also be happy with "the naming" at matiba's requiem. You cant support forthrightness when it happens in SA but condemn it if same occurs in KE. Did Malema name anybody? Not that I liked his overhyped speech That man must have been very angry after seeing what the hypocrites did to his friend matiba. Reducing his friend from a healthy and successful man to a sickly wheel chair bound bankrupt man and suffering to his death. While his tormentors were enjoying the good life. He had to call out the hypocrites and their crocodile tears.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Lolest! wrote:hardwood wrote:Ngalaka wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer. 1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same. 2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did. This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free. May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu. If you applauded the malema speech during winnie's burial, then you should also be happy with "the naming" at matiba's requiem. You cant support forthrightness when it happens in SA but condemn it if same occurs in KE. Did Malema name anybody? Not that I liked his overhyped speech Distraction! Have I put forth an opinion on Malema ever, leave alone during Winnie's burial! Back to the issue... Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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