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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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wukan wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:wukan wrote:limanika wrote:I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do? @masukumawiki you are an IDIOT. Go read Kenyan history before exhibiting your ignorance here. I am so sorry to break your little fragile heart and ego. That a militia that killed 70 white people gave you independence by chasing away an empire that defeated the Germans less than 20 years earlier. The political struggle gave us independence - if it was not for the Mau Mau akina kenyatta wouldn't have gone to prison. Political agitation was everything Mau Mau actually delayed independence! They are indirectly caused independence because Mbeberu acted inhumanly to people as a way to sort this rebellion and news of this went to the UK parliament and the British government started pulling out. Independence ganI hii ambayo Mbeberu anawapeleka lAncaster kuwatengenezea constitution? @Masukuma what is this fetish you have with killing white people. Who told you mau mau was set up to kill white people? It was a struggle against an oppressing system of which the white people looked like beneficiaries. That militia is what inspired the civil rights in the US with Malcom X was also pro-mau mau kinda struggle in the US. Nelson Mandela says that "in my 27 years of imprisonment I always say the images of fighters such as Kimathi, China and others as candles in my long hard way against injustice...it is an honor for any freedom fighter to pay respect to such heroes"Even the fight by Matiba for second liberation was eventually done by the donors and American pressure. It was the donor aid conditions that made Moi cave in because by then we were bankrupt attempting to run the colonial state. As I said.. IT WAS WELL INTENTIONED! It did not yield the results it wanted... something else did. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Lolest! wrote:Anyway, back to Matiba and his legacy. I still find his decision to leave a Permanent Secretary position for a management trainee position bold. This was at a time when almost everyone in govt didn't have to do much scheming to get super deals on land etc
Even today, who leaves senior public service jobs for the taxing private sector?
Then he joined breweries where he had to do all manner of tasks to familiarise with the company. In his book, he talks of how he even scrubbed floors!! He even had to be transferred to Tz to keep him away from the people who knew him. Anyway, he still rose fast to the helm of the company..
Perhaps he wasn't just a lucky guy(to be PS at 32 was some stroke of luck, the whites were leaving) but was a very hardworking guy. He talks of how when he was posted to Education Ministry Hqs he'd work till midnight. When he started his hotel business, he'd work the whole weekend at the coast and travel back to Nairobi in time for Monday work.
We've also heard how serious he was as a Minister. Kaigangio et al, any memories from back then? Very true. There is alot of misunderstanding about Matiba and everyone should reread your post to know about his life story. Fact is that Matiba made his money in the PRIVATE SECTOR, not govt. His CV is quite interesting. Born - 1932 Education: BA Makerere University PS Commerce: 1964-68 1968 - resigned from govt. Many would say he was dumb to resign from PS and become a management trainee at KBL. MD Kenya Breweries: 1969-1976 Executive Chairman KBL: 1977-79 Elected Kenya Football Federation Chairman: 1974-78 MP Mbiri constituency: 1979-1990 Cabinet Minister: 1983-1988 MP Kiharu (mbiri was renamed Kiharu): 1992-97 Presidential candidate: 1992 and 2007 Business interests - Alliance Hotels, Carbacid, Wangu Investments, Hillcrest Schools, EABL. If matiba ever stole, which I doubt, it would have been in the 4yrs when he was a PS 1964-68. But then no one who has stolen would take up a management trainee position at a private company. Therefore matiba is safi kama pamba.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,585
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Anyway, back to Matiba and his legacy. I still find his decision to leave a Permanent Secretary position for a management trainee position bold. This was at a time when almost everyone in govt didn't have to do much scheming to get super deals on land etc
Even today, who leaves senior public service jobs for the taxing private sector?
Then he joined breweries where he had to do all manner of tasks to familiarise with the company. In his book, he talks of how he even scrubbed floors!! He even had to be transferred to Tz to keep him away from the people who knew him. Anyway, he still rose fast to the helm of the company..
Perhaps he wasn't just a lucky guy(to be PS at 32 was some stroke of luck, the whites were leaving) but was a very hardworking guy. He talks of how when he was posted to Education Ministry Hqs he'd work till midnight. When he started his hotel business, he'd work the whole weekend at the coast and travel back to Nairobi in time for Monday work.
We've also heard how serious he was as a Minister. Kaigangio et al, any memories from back then? Very true. There is alot of misunderstanding about Matiba and everyone should reread your post to know about his life story. Fact is that Matiba made his money in the PRIVATE SECTOR, not govt. His CV is quite interesting. Born - 1932 Education: BA Makerere University PS Commerce: 1964-68 1968 - resigned from govt. Many would say he was dumb to resign from PS and become a management trainee at KBL. MD Kenya Breweries: 1969-1976 Executive Chairman KBL: 1977-79 Elected Kenya Football Federation Chairman: 1974-78 MP Mbiri constituency: 1979-1990 Cabinet Minister: 1983-1988 MP Kiharu (mbiri was renamed Kiharu): 1992-97 Presidential candidate: 1992 and 2007 Business interests - Alliance Hotels, Carbacid, Wangu Investments, Hillcrest Schools, EABL. If matiba ever stole, which I doubt, it would have been in the 4yrs when he was a PS 1964-68. But then no one who has stolen would take up a management trainee position at a private company. Therefore matiba is safi kama pamba. Clean Kabisa! People need to read his book "Aim High", most of these wivu guys are just commenting from ignorance, very inspiring man, a great leader! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Much Know wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Anyway, back to Matiba and his legacy. I still find his decision to leave a Permanent Secretary position for a management trainee position bold. This was at a time when almost everyone in govt didn't have to do much scheming to get super deals on land etc
Even today, who leaves senior public service jobs for the taxing private sector?
Then he joined breweries where he had to do all manner of tasks to familiarise with the company. In his book, he talks of how he even scrubbed floors!! He even had to be transferred to Tz to keep him away from the people who knew him. Anyway, he still rose fast to the helm of the company..
Perhaps he wasn't just a lucky guy(to be PS at 32 was some stroke of luck, the whites were leaving) but was a very hardworking guy. He talks of how when he was posted to Education Ministry Hqs he'd work till midnight. When he started his hotel business, he'd work the whole weekend at the coast and travel back to Nairobi in time for Monday work.
We've also heard how serious he was as a Minister. Kaigangio et al, any memories from back then? Very true. There is alot of misunderstanding about Matiba and everyone should reread your post to know about his life story. Fact is that Matiba made his money in the PRIVATE SECTOR, not govt. His CV is quite interesting. Born - 1932 Education: BA Makerere University PS Commerce: 1964-68 1968 - resigned from govt. Many would say he was dumb to resign from PS and become a management trainee at KBL. MD Kenya Breweries: 1969-1976 Executive Chairman KBL: 1977-79 Elected Kenya Football Federation Chairman: 1974-78 MP Mbiri constituency: 1979-1990 Cabinet Minister: 1983-1988 MP Kiharu (mbiri was renamed Kiharu): 1992-97 Presidential candidate: 1992 and 2007 Business interests - Alliance Hotels, Carbacid, Wangu Investments, Hillcrest Schools, EABL. If matiba ever stole, which I doubt, it would have been in the 4yrs when he was a PS 1964-68. But then no one who has stolen would take up a management trainee position at a private company. Therefore matiba is safi kama pamba. Clean Kabisa! People need to read his book "Aim High", most of these wivu guys are just commenting from ignorance, very inspiring man, a great leader! Infact he said that he quit the public service after witnessing the corruption madness in govt. He instead opted to develop a career in the private sector. https://www.standardmedi...nd-myth-about-his-wealth
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,585
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hardwood wrote:Much Know wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote: Anyway, back to Matiba and his legacy. I still find his decision to leave a Permanent Secretary position for a management trainee position bold. This was at a time when almost everyone in govt didn't have to do much scheming to get super deals on land etc
Even today, who leaves senior public service jobs for the taxing private sector?
Then he joined breweries where he had to do all manner of tasks to familiarise with the company. In his book, he talks of how he even scrubbed floors!! He even had to be transferred to Tz to keep him away from the people who knew him. Anyway, he still rose fast to the helm of the company..
Perhaps he wasn't just a lucky guy(to be PS at 32 was some stroke of luck, the whites were leaving) but was a very hardworking guy. He talks of how when he was posted to Education Ministry Hqs he'd work till midnight. When he started his hotel business, he'd work the whole weekend at the coast and travel back to Nairobi in time for Monday work.
We've also heard how serious he was as a Minister. Kaigangio et al, any memories from back then? Very true. There is alot of misunderstanding about Matiba and everyone should reread your post to know about his life story. Fact is that Matiba made his money in the PRIVATE SECTOR, not govt. His CV is quite interesting. Born - 1932 Education: BA Makerere University PS Commerce: 1964-68 1968 - resigned from govt. Many would say he was dumb to resign from PS and become a management trainee at KBL. MD Kenya Breweries: 1969-1976 Executive Chairman KBL: 1977-79 Elected Kenya Football Federation Chairman: 1974-78 MP Mbiri constituency: 1979-1990 Cabinet Minister: 1983-1988 MP Kiharu (mbiri was renamed Kiharu): 1992-97 Presidential candidate: 1992 and 2007 Business interests - Alliance Hotels, Carbacid, Wangu Investments, Hillcrest Schools, EABL. If matiba ever stole, which I doubt, it would have been in the 4yrs when he was a PS 1964-68. But then no one who has stolen would take up a management trainee position at a private company. Therefore matiba is safi kama pamba. Clean Kabisa! People need to read his book "Aim High", most of these wivu guys are just commenting from ignorance, very inspiring man, a great leader! Infact he said that he quit the public service after witnessing the corruption madness in govt. He instead opted to develop a career in the private sector. https://www.standardmedi...d-myth-about-his-wealth Surely one can earn there wealth from trading stocks properly and investing properly, he demonstrates this ably in his book, and isn't that what wazua "serious talk about wealth" is about, ama ni complaints about everyone who has something small, and this small chums of his will change Kenya! Explain what he stole?? I have never heard in the press or anywhere matiba being associated with scandals and thefts, and by global standards this men are quite poor, but tukichomeka na stocks then we come to bitch here without any justification about someone who made the effort long ago to explain himself business wise is weird. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Nyayo and Minister Matifa. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rahatupu wrote:Actually, other communities actively participated in one way or another... like the Nandi Resistance to British Rule, from 1890-1906.
@Alphdoti, that is not true. Other communities were not subjected to the brutality of the colonial rule as those in the Mountain region. That is a fact. Hence these communities had no option but to resist and fight back the colonial brutality. As early as 1880s Mekatilili wa Menza encountered the British and resisted their presence. Waiyaki wa Hinga did the same and so did Koitalel.
However, unlike in other areas where the British merely ""passed"their settlement in central Kenya made life really unbearable for the locals hence their resentment and raise of Mau Mau as a force to counter the brutal and dehumanizing rule. Very true. Unlike in other areas of kenya where mzungu ruled by remote control, the mzungu displaced okuyos and took their land and forced them to work on the mzungu farms for slave wages. That is why they had to resist. Mluhyas, joluos, mkambas etc were never put in villages and never had their land taken or provide forced labour and that is why they belittle the mau mau struggle. Central (and parts of RV) was considered prime land for coffee (black gold) and tea. Laikipia was good for ranching. Mzungu feared malaria in nyanza and western. The other parts of the country were too arid.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hardwood wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Actually, other communities actively participated in one way or another... like the Nandi Resistance to British Rule, from 1890-1906.
@Alphdoti, that is not true. Other communities were not subjected to the brutality of the colonial rule as those in the Mountain region. That is a fact. Hence these communities had no option but to resist and fight back the colonial brutality. As early as 1880s Mekatilili wa Menza encountered the British and resisted their presence. Waiyaki wa Hinga did the same and so did Koitalel.
However, unlike in other areas where the British merely ""passed"their settlement in central Kenya made life really unbearable for the locals hence their resentment and raise of Mau Mau as a force to counter the brutal and dehumanizing rule. Very true. Unlike in other areas of kenya where mzungu ruled by remote control, the mzungu displaced okuyos and took their land and forced them to work on the mzungu farms for slave wages. That is why they had to resist. Mluhyas, joluos, mkambas etc were never put in villages and never had their land taken or provide forced labour and that is why they belittle the mau mau struggle. Central (and parts of RV) was considered prime land for coffee (black gold) and tea. Laikipia was good for ranching. Mzungu feared malaria in nyanza and western. The other parts of the country were too arid. The irony is, while Kikuyus moan loudest about loss of land, they're net land gainers from the order created by the British. Even Nyandarua county was part of Maasailand before British colonization
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Lolest! wrote:hardwood wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Actually, other communities actively participated in one way or another... like the Nandi Resistance to British Rule, from 1890-1906.
@Alphdoti, that is not true. Other communities were not subjected to the brutality of the colonial rule as those in the Mountain region. That is a fact. Hence these communities had no option but to resist and fight back the colonial brutality. As early as 1880s Mekatilili wa Menza encountered the British and resisted their presence. Waiyaki wa Hinga did the same and so did Koitalel.
However, unlike in other areas where the British merely ""passed"their settlement in central Kenya made life really unbearable for the locals hence their resentment and raise of Mau Mau as a force to counter the brutal and dehumanizing rule. Very true. Unlike in other areas of kenya where mzungu ruled by remote control, the mzungu displaced okuyos and took their land and forced them to work on the mzungu farms for slave wages. That is why they had to resist. Mluhyas, joluos, mkambas etc were never put in villages and never had their land taken or provide forced labour and that is why they belittle the mau mau struggle. Central (and parts of RV) was considered prime land for coffee (black gold) and tea. Laikipia was good for ranching. Mzungu feared malaria in nyanza and western. The other parts of the country were too arid. The irony is, while Kikuyus moan loudest about loss of land, they're net land gainers from the order created by the British. Even Nyandarua county was part of Maasailand before British colonization True. Their territory nearly doubled. They gained Nyandarua, nakuru, laikipia etc. Okuyus should be grateful for colonization otherwise I don't know how they would be fitting today in their precolonial lands of nyeri, muranga, kiambu and Kirinyaga.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:hardwood wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Actually, other communities actively participated in one way or another... like the Nandi Resistance to British Rule, from 1890-1906.
@Alphdoti, that is not true. Other communities were not subjected to the brutality of the colonial rule as those in the Mountain region. That is a fact. Hence these communities had no option but to resist and fight back the colonial brutality. As early as 1880s Mekatilili wa Menza encountered the British and resisted their presence. Waiyaki wa Hinga did the same and so did Koitalel.
However, unlike in other areas where the British merely ""passed"their settlement in central Kenya made life really unbearable for the locals hence their resentment and raise of Mau Mau as a force to counter the brutal and dehumanizing rule. Very true. Unlike in other areas of kenya where mzungu ruled by remote control, the mzungu displaced okuyos and took their land and forced them to work on the mzungu farms for slave wages. That is why they had to resist. Mluhyas, joluos, mkambas etc were never put in villages and never had their land taken or provide forced labour and that is why they belittle the mau mau struggle. Central (and parts of RV) was considered prime land for coffee (black gold) and tea. Laikipia was good for ranching. Mzungu feared malaria in nyanza and western. The other parts of the country were too arid. The irony is, while Kikuyus moan loudest about loss of land, they're net land gainers from the order created by the British. Even Nyandarua county was part of Maasailand before British colonization True. Their territory nearly doubled. They gained Nyandarua, nakuru, laikipia etc. Okuyus should be grateful for colonization. Hakuna land ya mtu... Land changes hands as time moves on based on many different factors ! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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