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hardwood		#41 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 10:48:29 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		masukuma wrote: wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do? @masukumawiki you are an IDIOT. Go read Kenyan history before exhibiting your ignorance here.
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Lolest!		#42 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:34:22 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma		Quote: What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle.
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Rahatupu		#43 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:53:48 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne		Lolest! wrote: Quote: What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle. It is worth noting that the pioneer Alliance students were mostly children of prominent colonial chiefs, teachers, and clergy. Exceptions are few though.
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hardwood		#44 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:19:23 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		Rahatupu wrote: Lolest! wrote: Quote: What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle. It is worth noting that the pioneer Alliance students were mostly children of prominent colonial chiefs, teachers, and clergy. Exceptions are few though. Of course those categories of people were more enlightened, more "westernised", and took their kids to school. And alliance was a pioneer school.
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kaka2za		#45 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:33:06 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu		Lolest! wrote: Quote: What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle. Mau Mau rebellion was primarily about land. Those who had benefited collaborated with Colonialists. Chief Njiiri reported lost his cool when he learnt independence was on the way. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Lolest!		#46 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:47:45 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma		Anyway, back to Matiba and his legacy. I still find his decision to leave a Permanent Secretary position for a management trainee position bold. This was at a time when almost everyone in govt didn't have to do much scheming to get super deals on land etc Even today, who leaves senior public service jobs for the taxing private sector? Then he joined breweries where he had to do all manner of tasks to familiarise with the company. In his book, he talks of how he even scrubbed floors!! He even had to be transferred to Tz to keep him away from the people who knew him. Anyway, he still rose fast to the helm of the company.. Perhaps he wasn't just a lucky guy(to be PS at 32 was some stroke of luck, the whites were leaving) but was a very hardworking guy. He talks of how when he was posted to Education Ministry Hqs he'd work till midnight. When he started his hotel business, he'd work the whole weekend at the coast and travel back to Nairobi in time for Monday work. We've also heard how serious he was as a Minister. Kaigangio et al, any memories from back then?
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hardwood		#47 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:55:11 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		Lolest! wrote: Quote: What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle. Very true. In all struggles some elements are more radical and militant than others. But the difference in degree of militancy doesn't mean that all do not have the same objective. KAU and Jomo were fighting politically while mau mau were more militant but objective was the same. Infact the militant wing accelerated the process of independence. Without mau mau we may have gone the Rhodesia or SA way where the settler whites took power after Britain retreated instead of power passing to blacks.
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Swenani		#48 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:20:56 AM
Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum		hardwood wrote: Lolest! wrote: Quote: What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle. Very true. In all struggles some elements are more radical and militant than others. But the difference in degree of militancy doesn't mean that all do not have the same objective. KAU and Jomo were fighting politically while mau mau were more militant but objective was the same. Infact the militant wing accelerated the process of independence. Without mau mau we may have gone the Rhodesia or SA way where the settler whites took power after Britain retreated instead of power passing to blacks. When baba uses or is perceived to use violence we denounce him yet we accept that violence accelerates the change process If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Lolest!		#49 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:22:07 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma		kaka2za wrote: Lolest! wrote: Quote: What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. We need to get something clear. Opposition to Mau Mau wasn't opposition to independence! There were people who were against use of violence in the freedom struggle. Mau Mau rebellion was primarily about land. Those who had benefited collaborated with Colonialists. Chief Njiiri reported lost his cool when he learnt independence was on the way. Not really. Africans were really being mistreated.
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Lolest!		#50 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:24:07 AM
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