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limanika		#31 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 6:59:47 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032		kaka2za wrote: limanika wrote: wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP Matiba is the father of 2nd liberation. Though jaramogi had been in the trenches for decades, it took matiba's charisma and wealth to force moi to accept. In the process he spent his fortune, lost his health. Of course there were other dynamics that converged at the time e.g. end of cold war, to aid the process, but all the same he is the catalyst we needed. As for collaboration with colonialists b4 independence, opinion is still divided. We needed some to work with mzungu for strategic reasons, provided it was not extreme No he wasn't. 2nd Liberation was triggered by Rev Dr Murere Njoya! We respect the contribution of Rev Njoya. Let's not argue about this. Peace
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masukuma		#32 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 7:32:13 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		limanika wrote: kaka2za wrote: limanika wrote: wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP Matiba is the father of 2nd liberation. Though jaramogi had been in the trenches for decades, it took matiba's charisma and wealth to force moi to accept. In the process he spent his fortune, lost his health. Of course there were other dynamics that converged at the time e.g. end of cold war, to aid the process, but all the same he is the catalyst we needed. As for collaboration with colonialists b4 independence, opinion is still divided. We needed some to work with mzungu for strategic reasons, provided it was not extreme No he wasn't. 2nd Liberation was triggered by Rev Dr Murere Njoya! We respect the contribution of Rev Njoya. Let's not argue about this. Peace Let me a bit annoying! if it wasn't for the Mlolongo debacle of 88 or there around that knocked out akina matiba from posts in Kanu - we wouldn't be celebrating him. Oginga Odinga and Co. Akina Koigi, Anyona e.t.c. were in the trenches already. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma		#33 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 7:39:39 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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kaka2za		#34 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 8:01:43 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu		masukuma wrote: wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do? Mau Mau waged a rebellion against the British rule but they were overwhelmed. The rebellion messed up the agikuyu forever as they turned on each other. Independence was bound to come with or without Mau Mau just like multiparty democracy would come with or without Matiba Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Taurrus		#35 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 8:28:28 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite		masukuma wrote: wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do? Tell your friend that the Mau Mau spread the Malaria also
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Taurrus		#36 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 8:32:28 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite		kaka2za wrote: masukuma wrote: wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do? Mau Mau waged a rebellion against the British rule but they were overwhelmed. The rebellion messed up the agikuyu forever as they turned on each other. Independence was bound to come with or without Mau Mau just like multiparty democracy would come with or without Matiba Very true same like you getting kids without conjugal at child bearing age!
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Mike Ock		#37 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 8:38:31 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2015 Posts: 682		masukuma wrote: wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do? Rebelling provided an irritant that definitely factored into the British decision to retreat. They would surely not have retreated if we were just comfortably living under them. They would just have reduced the Empire budget.
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Angelica _ann		#38 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 9:17:24 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,937		Mike Ock wrote: masukuma wrote: wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do? Rebelling provided an irritant that definitely factored into the British decision to retreat. They would surely not have retreated if we were just comfortably living under them. They would just have reduced the Empire budget. What about countries that didn't have "mau mau" and still got independence around the same time as us/Kenya? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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wukan		#39 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 9:51:33 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,658		masukuma wrote: wukan wrote: limanika wrote: I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do? Where did the landless mau mau remnants settle after independence? In which part of kikuyu land did matiba not receive votes in the 1992 elections? If there was no first liberation what was the second liberation all about? The second liberators are fabled to have liberated us...how...only 27 demonstrators died in the saba saba riots? What did they do? Asking for a friend
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limanika		#40 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 9:57:27 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032		Seems many do not know our history. Am reminded of the time, in the wilderness, Israelites started questioning moses why he ever got them out of Egypt. The story of mau may starts in 1920s when harry thuku formed kca to agitate for gikuyu land rights. That didn't work and elders sent Kenyatta to London in early 1930s to directly engage the British govt for return of the gikuyu land forcibly taken by the wazungu. Kenyatta would stay there till mid 1940s and came back empty handed. At this point the elders felt only option left was to take arms to take back their land. So, in the first instance, mau mau was not about independence but 'return of gikuyu land forcibly taken away from them. Without the struggle, maybe we would have ended up like Zimbabwe
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