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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Elder wrote:Lolest! wrote:Mukiri wrote:The economy must be terrible, if people now want to brew their own alcohol. Exactly a week before XMass the govt is to blame! Let me check the How I made my First Milli thread. Wazua kuna watu aina mingi Nothing peculiar here about Kenya and terrible economy. Home brewing is serious business/hobby the world over. Just google beer brewing kit for a start and you may yet join this bandwagon. I since revised my position, when I saw UK sample a Muratina beer at the show. If we can ferment and distil our own alcohol, why do we make other countries wealthy by importing their wines and spirits? I asked where I can source the Muratina beer, apparently the maker was overwhelmed by the licensing requirements! Can anyone assist? ION: Where can I buy 'Brewer's Yeast' in Nairobi?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Good ruling there. https://nairobinews.nati...-landmark-court-ruling/
‘MURATINA’ NO LONGER AN ILLICIT BREW AFTER LANDMARK COURT RULING Quote:Brewing and drinking muratina during traditional ceremonies is not illegal, a court has ruled.
Kikuyu Principle Magistrate D N Musyoka in March recognised muratina as part of the Kikuyu traditional customs.
He added that the constitution has a mandate to protect the cultures of all tribes in Kenya and no law created can infringe upon those cultural practices.
“They have to celebrate their traditional rites of passage through various ways and muratina (Agikuyu traditional brew) must form part of the celebrations,” Mr Musyoka said in his judgment.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,703
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hardwood wrote:Good ruling there. https://nairobinews.nati...-landmark-court-ruling/
‘MURATINA’ NO LONGER AN ILLICIT BREW AFTER LANDMARK COURT RULING Quote:Brewing and drinking muratina during traditional ceremonies is not illegal, a court has ruled.
Kikuyu Principle Magistrate D N Musyoka in March recognised muratina as part of the Kikuyu traditional customs.
He added that the constitution has a mandate to protect the cultures of all tribes in Kenya and no law created can infringe upon those cultural practices.
“They have to celebrate their traditional rites of passage through various ways and muratina (Agikuyu traditional brew) must form part of the celebrations,” Mr Musyoka said in his judgment. I completely agree. I would however want to have a ruling in Kisumu by a Luo judge saying the same thing about Chang'aa, a Luhya judge in Bungoma same judgement on Busaa and my favorite would be a judge in Kibera declaring weed a cultural herb of the Nubians. I am telling you this judicial activism tukiitumia vizuri we can really liberate ourselves from christian colonial "illegitimate despotism". Viva
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Kusadikika wrote:I knew you had something up your sleeve McDoba. Thanks a lot for the video. Very nice video there. I never knew how cham was made. Thought it's only made huko mtoni. Now that I have seen the process, I will improvise and make kidogo.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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I have always found it rather interesting that the Mzungu taught us not to drink Alcohol - yet he himself drunk it! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:I have always found it rather interesting that the Mzungu taught us not to drink Alcohol - yet he himself drunk it! Mzungu banned all traditional brews and africans were not allowed to take bottled beer. Very selfish. Fermentation is fermentation whether you are fermenting grapes (wine), barley/corn/maize (beer), potatoes/wheat (vodka), honey (muratina) or maize (busaa), coconut (mnazi). Even the spirits are the same - whisky from distilling beer, changaa from busaa. It's only that mzungu ages his "changaa" in oak barrels to add flavour and calls it single malt whisky. So sad that africans were made to hate their traditional brews and worship mzungu drinks. Its the new form of colonization/slavery to ensure all alcohol profits go to london to sustain "the empire". A mzungu in europe is free to ferment barley or maize and sell to us as heineken or distill and sell to us as johnnie walker. But when a kenyan tries to do the same the APs raid your premises and you are dragged to court.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:I have always found it rather interesting that the Mzungu taught us not to drink Alcohol - yet he himself drunk it! Mzungu banned all traditional brews and africans were not allowed to take bottled beer. Very selfish. Fermentation is fermentation whether you are fermenting grapes (wine), barley/corn/maize (beer), potatoes/wheat (vodka), honey (muratina) or maize (busaa), coconut (mnazi). Even the spirits are the same - whisky from distilling beer, changaa from busaa. It's only that mzungu ages his "changaa" in oak barrels to add flavour and calls it single malt whisky. So sad that africans were made to hate their traditional brews and worship mzungu drinks. Its the new form of colonization/slavery to ensure all alcohol profits go to london to sustain "the empire". A mzungu in europe is free to ferment barley or maize and sell to us as heineken or distill and sell to us as johnnie walker. But when a kenyan tries to do the same the APs raid your premises and you are dragged to court. Mnazi IS NOT fermented coconut.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Fermenting to make Single malt whiskey majuu. Same process in Kenya (to make african single malt aka changaa) but demonised.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Mukiri wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:I have always found it rather interesting that the Mzungu taught us not to drink Alcohol - yet he himself drunk it! Mzungu banned all traditional brews and africans were not allowed to take bottled beer. Very selfish. Fermentation is fermentation whether you are fermenting grapes (wine), barley/corn/maize (beer), potatoes/wheat (vodka), honey (muratina) or maize (busaa), coconut (mnazi). Even the spirits are the same - whisky from distilling beer, changaa from busaa. It's only that mzungu ages his "changaa" in oak barrels to add flavour and "smoothness", and calls it single malt whisky. So sad that africans were made to hate their traditional brews and worship mzungu drinks. Its the new form of colonization/slavery to ensure all alcohol profits go to london to sustain "the empire". A mzungu in europe is free to ferment barley or maize and sell to us as heineken or distill and sell to us as johnnie walker. But when a kenyan tries to do the same the APs raid your premises and you are dragged to court. Mnazi IS NOT fermented coconut. I thought it was obvious that the sap collected from the coconut palm ferments to become pombe ya mnazi? Or you want me to give details of the whole process?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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hardwood wrote:Mukiri wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:I have always found it rather interesting that the Mzungu taught us not to drink Alcohol - yet he himself drunk it! Mzungu banned all traditional brews and africans were not allowed to take bottled beer. Very selfish. Fermentation is fermentation whether you are fermenting grapes (wine), barley/corn/maize (beer), potatoes/wheat (vodka), honey (muratina) or maize (busaa), coconut (mnazi). Even the spirits are the same - whisky from distilling beer, changaa from busaa. It's only that mzungu ages his "changaa" in oak barrels to add flavour and "smoothness", and calls it single malt whisky. So sad that africans were made to hate their traditional brews and worship mzungu drinks. Its the new form of colonization/slavery to ensure all alcohol profits go to london to sustain "the empire". A mzungu in europe is free to ferment barley or maize and sell to us as heineken or distill and sell to us as johnnie walker. But when a kenyan tries to do the same the APs raid your premises and you are dragged to court. Mnazi IS NOT fermented coconut. I thought it was obvious that the sap collected from the coconut palm ferments to become pombe ya mnazi? Or you want me to give details of the whole process? If you ask politely you might be educated on what mnazi really is
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Mukiri wrote:hardwood wrote:Mukiri wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:I have always found it rather interesting that the Mzungu taught us not to drink Alcohol - yet he himself drunk it! Mzungu banned all traditional brews and africans were not allowed to take bottled beer. Very selfish. Fermentation is fermentation whether you are fermenting grapes (wine), barley/corn/maize (beer), potatoes/wheat (vodka), honey (muratina) or maize (busaa), coconut (mnazi). Even the spirits are the same - whisky from distilling beer, changaa from busaa. It's only that mzungu ages his "changaa" in oak barrels to add flavour and "smoothness", and calls it single malt whisky. So sad that africans were made to hate their traditional brews and worship mzungu drinks. Its the new form of colonization/slavery to ensure all alcohol profits go to london to sustain "the empire". A mzungu in europe is free to ferment barley or maize and sell to us as heineken or distill and sell to us as johnnie walker. But when a kenyan tries to do the same the APs raid your premises and you are dragged to court. Mnazi IS NOT fermented coconut. I thought it was obvious that the sap collected from the coconut palm ferments to become pombe ya mnazi? Or you want me to give details of the whole process? If you ask politely you might be educated on what mnazi really is Let me teach you what mnazi is....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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hardwood wrote:I thought it was obvious that the sap collected from the coconut palm ferments to become pombe ya mnazi? Or you want me to give details of the whole process? Very good. Next time don't embarrass yourself by insisting you know something you don't. Hope you got educated that no fermentation takes place to convert it to something else. It is what it is. The sap, IS the mnazi!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Mukiri wrote:hardwood wrote:I thought it was obvious that the sap collected from the coconut palm ferments to become pombe ya mnazi? Or you want me to give details of the whole process? Very good. Next time don't embarrass yourself by insisting you know something you don't. Hope you got educated that no fermentation takes place to convert it to something else. It is what it is. The sap, IS the mnazi! You are wrong and you should confine yourself to preaching and adult toys, and leave matters phombe to experienced hands and walevi like us. Fermentation does take place. The sap when coming from the coconut tree isn't alcoholic but after exudation from the plant it becomes colonised by natural yeasts that turn the sugarly sap into alcohol. Within 2hrs it has about 4% alcohol. When stored longer more sugar is turned into alcohol. So to correct you, a coconut tree doesn't have alcohol running through its system. Rather it only has a sugarly sap that starts to ferment after its extracted by "mgema". Just like the way your freshly squeezed pineapple juice (or sliced pineapple) turns alcoholic after a day or 2 due to natural colonisation by yeasts that turn the sugars to phombe. Educate yourself on matters mnazi here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_wine
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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hardwood wrote:Mukiri wrote:hardwood wrote:I thought it was obvious that the sap collected from the coconut palm ferments to become pombe ya mnazi? Or you want me to give details of the whole process? Very good. Next time don't embarrass yourself by insisting you know something you don't. Hope you got educated that no fermentation takes place to convert it to something else. It is what it is. The sap, IS the mnazi! You are wrong and you should confine yourself to preaching and adult toys, and leave matters phombe to experienced hands and walevi like us. Fermentation does take place. The sap when coming from the coconut tree isn't alcoholic but after exudation from the plant it becomes colonised by natural yeasts that turn the sugarly sap into alcohol. Within 2hrs it has about 4% alcohol. When stored longer more sugar is turned into alcohol. So to correct you, a coconut tree doesn't have alcohol running through its system. Rather it only has a sugarly sap that starts to ferment after its extracted by "mgema". Just like the way your freshly squeezed pineapple juice (or sliced pineapple) turns alcoholic after a day or 2 due to natural colonisation by yeasts that turn the sugars to phombe. Educate yourself on matters mnazi here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_wine
Eish! No need for unnecessary aggression. You are right, there's a natural process, self occurring without any additive, where the sugary sap because a more alcoholic drink. This explains why its very sweet upon extraction, if when taken then, the partaker is likely to feel the effect much later as the alcohol ferments inside
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