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wanyee
#71 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 5:58:04 PM
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Ceuta na Melilla ni unga and pharmacists paradise...now after Brexit expect other enclaves ...say Nyanyuki..watamu...Diego Garcia or St.Helena to gain prominence
harrydre
#72 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 7:12:53 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Please listen to this man...


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murchr
#73 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:27:19 AM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
Is goodness measured by success in this case?

what do you think? it's successful if it stands the test of time smile

Time has no test. Only intelligent creatures can test.

just a lesson in history! not interested in a winding debate with you on ideology or semantics on this thread... this is history. start a thread for those winding and tiring debates.

What lesson in history?

You're just getting touchy because you can't think.

I agree @tycho derives pleasure by differing and complicating... to him, nothing can be discussed in simple terms. Always why not this way, why not that way... blah blah. Maybe I'm not able to grasp his gist, I accept I do not.

What are the simple terms in this case? Is there a simple argument here that should be accepted at face value?

Ok, @AlphDoti; Start by answering the questions above.

@tycho, here is a simple case... You can twist it the way you want.

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Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was “We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”

Sylvanus Olympio, the first president of the Republic of Togo, a tiny country in west Africa, found a middle ground solution with the French.He didn’t want his country to continue to be a french dominion, therefore he refused to sign the colonisation continuation pact De Gaule proposed, but agree to pay an annual debt to France for the so called benefits Togo got from french colonization.It was the only conditions for the French not to destroy the country before leaving. However, the amount estimated by France was so big that the reimbursement of the so called “colonial debt” was close to 40% of the country budget in 1963.

The financial situation of the newly independent Togo was very unstable, so in order to get out the situation, Olympio decided to get out the french colonial money FCFA (the franc for french african colonies), and issue the county own currency.

On January 13, 1963, three days after he started printing his country own currency, a squad of illiterate soldiers backed by France killed the first elected president of newly independent Africa. Olympio was killed by an ex French Foreign Legionnaire army sergeant called Etienne Gnassingbe who supposedly received a bounty of $612 from the local French embassy for the hit man job.

Olympio’s dream was to build an independent and self-sufficient and self-reliant country. But the French didn’t like the idea.

On June 30, 1962, Modiba Keita , the first president of the Republic of Mali, decided to withdraw from the french colonial currency FCFA which was imposed on 12 newly independent African countries. For the Malian president, who was leaning more to a socialist economy, it was clear that colonisation continuation pact with France was a trap, a burden for the country development.

On November 19, 1968, like, Olympio, Keita will be the victim of a coup carried out by another ex French Foreign legionnaire, the Lieutenant Moussa Traoré.

In fact during that turbulent period of African fighting to liberate themselves from European colonization, France would repeatedly use many ex Foreign legionnaires to carry out coups against elected presidents...

what about the colonial taxes?




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Mukiri
#74 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:59:38 AM
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wanyee wrote:
Ceuta na Melilla ni unga and pharmacists paradise...now after Brexit expect other enclaves ...say Nyanyuki..watamu...Diego Garcia or St.Helena to gain prominence

There is Chemistry in Nanyuki?

Proverbs 19:21
Lolest!
#75 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:19:45 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?

I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...

But all that is gone.

Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task.


I came across some curious territories

Ceuta and Melilla, the two permanently inhabited Spanish territories in mainland Africa

Ceuta


and Melilla



There's Mayotte too off East Africa coast near Comoros. It's part of France
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