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Kenya Power - what's the latest?
mlennyma
#461 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:19:21 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,194
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo]part of the huge liabilities of kenya power came from here.

https://mobile.nation.co...7642-h0bludz/index.html[/quote]
I cannot open the link...



its in today nation paper.You can try www.nation.co.ke/business news
No luck. Anyway, Gichuru was a crook BUT what's worse is that WE aren't doing anything about it. It was Jersey that went after him.

very sad to see the share with diarrhoea when quite a number are gaining
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Ebenyo
#462 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:46:51 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 2,016
Location: Kitale
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo]part of the huge liabilities of kenya power came from here.

https://mobile.nation.co...7642-h0bludz/index.html[/quote]
I cannot open the link...



its in today nation paper.You can try www.nation.co.ke/business news
No luck. Anyway, Gichuru was a crook BUT what's worse is that WE aren't doing anything about it. It was Jersey that went after him.

very sad to see the share with diarrhoea when quite a number are gaining


the market is not happy about the negative cashflow of kshs 7bilion
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Fyatu
#463 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:59:06 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
Ebenyo wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo]part of the huge liabilities of kenya power came from here.

https://mobile.nation.co...7642-h0bludz/index.html[/quote]
I cannot open the link...



its in today nation paper.You can try www.nation.co.ke/business news
No luck. Anyway, Gichuru was a crook BUT what's worse is that WE aren't doing anything about it. It was Jersey that went after him.

very sad to see the share with diarrhoea when quite a number are gaining


the market is not happy about the negative cashflow of kshs 7bilion


A time to get greedyDrool . Remember if they charged every of their 6 millions strong customers an average of kshs. 1000 in two consecutive months they will reverse the negative cashflow. This one is my pension scheme.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Fyatu
#464 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 3:10:48 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
I watched the investigative piece on KTN prime yesterday. The piece was about Kenya power and the high bills they been posting to customers. What caught my ears is that out of the 6 million plus customers - a whooping 4 millions plus are on prepaid. Meaning that eventually plundering this cash cow will be next to impossible with technology making everything transparent.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Ebenyo
#465 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 3:31:10 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 2,016
Location: Kitale
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo]part of the huge liabilities of kenya power came from here.

https://mobile.nation.co...7642-h0bludz/index.html[/quote]
I cannot open the link...



its in today nation paper.You can try www.nation.co.ke/business news
No luck. Anyway, Gichuru was a crook BUT what's worse is that WE aren't doing anything about it. It was Jersey that went after him.

very sad to see the share with diarrhoea when quite a number are gaining


the market is not happy about the negative cashflow of kshs 7bilion


A time to get greedyDrool . Remember if they charged every of their 6 millions strong customers an average of kshs. 1000 in two consecutive months they will reverse the negative cashflow. This one is my pension scheme.


i agree with you @fyatu .The current price is a buy for those who got in at 12.Kenya power is an undervalued stock whose only weakness is Gok mismanagement.
Im still re-arranging my portfolio.Im yet to decide my core holding versus lesser holdings.I was buying randomly without any plan between 2015 and last year.
This year i decided to be very careful with my buying.Im a long term investor.
Can you pliz share your holdings in your portfolio.i know you have kenya power,ARM and the ill fated atlas(sorry for misfortune)

Towards the goal of financial freedom
Fyatu
#466 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:53:30 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
Ebenyo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo]part of the huge liabilities of kenya power came from here.

https://mobile.nation.co...7642-h0bludz/index.html[/quote]
I cannot open the link...



its in today nation paper.You can try www.nation.co.ke/business news
No luck. Anyway, Gichuru was a crook BUT what's worse is that WE aren't doing anything about it. It was Jersey that went after him.

very sad to see the share with diarrhoea when quite a number are gaining


the market is not happy about the negative cashflow of kshs 7bilion


A time to get greedyDrool . Remember if they charged every of their 6 millions strong customers an average of kshs. 1000 in two consecutive months they will reverse the negative cashflow. This one is my pension scheme.


i agree with you @fyatu .The current price is a buy for those who got in at 12.Kenya power is an undervalued stock whose only weakness is Gok mismanagement.
Im still re-arranging my portfolio.Im yet to decide my core holding versus lesser holdings.I was buying randomly without any plan between 2015 and last year.
This year i decided to be very careful with my buying.Im a long term investor.
Can you pliz share your holdings in your portfolio.i know you have kenya power,ARM and the ill fated atlas(sorry for misfortune)



Kenya power, TPSE, ARM, FTGH, Kapchorua, Liberty, ATLAS.

I sold HFCK and bought KCB early this year after having drinks with my broker who went on and on about how bullish she was with KCB. I bought KCB because of dividends and her(broker) advise. My strategy is dividends and a rich assets(think ARM factories, Kenya Power infrastructure, KCB cash, Kapchorua farms/forests etc).I also derive happiness when i go to my hotel(Mombasa Serena) on Friday evening to find a couple of governors,MPs, Senators and others spending lavishingly or seeing colleagues receiving bills from my utility(Kenya power) or even going to Naivas and head straight to the cosmetic section and ask the attendant whether she will recommend that i purchase Zoe shower gel or some other product etc.

I intend to buy Kengen and Safaricom(i dont care about price here) also as a retirement scheme.Offcourse i will continue buying Kenya power, TPS and Kapchorua and perhaps speculate more on FTGH and ARM. One thing i have learnt in my short years in this world is that accumulation = wealth. Huku Mombasa they have a saying that "Ukipanda pantosha, utavuna pankwisha. I want to be a situation where dividends are my subsistence and not the measly salary from my muhindi.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Ericsson
#467 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:58:33 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo]part of the huge liabilities of kenya power came from here.

https://mobile.nation.co...7642-h0bludz/index.html[/quote]
I cannot open the link...



its in today nation paper.You can try www.nation.co.ke/business news
No luck. Anyway, Gichuru was a crook BUT what's worse is that WE aren't doing anything about it. It was Jersey that went after him.

very sad to see the share with diarrhoea when quite a number are gaining


the market is not happy about the negative cashflow of kshs 7bilion


A time to get greedyDrool . Remember if they charged every of their 6 millions strong customers an average of kshs. 1000 in two consecutive months they will reverse the negative cashflow. This one is my pension scheme.


i agree with you @fyatu .The current price is a buy for those who got in at 12.Kenya power is an undervalued stock whose only weakness is Gok mismanagement.
Im still re-arranging my portfolio.Im yet to decide my core holding versus lesser holdings.I was buying randomly without any plan between 2015 and last year.
This year i decided to be very careful with my buying.Im a long term investor.
Can you pliz share your holdings in your portfolio.i know you have kenya power,ARM and the ill fated atlas(sorry for misfortune)



Kenya power, TPSE, ARM, FTGH, Kapchorua, Liberty, ATLAS.

I sold HFCK and bought KCB early this year after having drinks with my broker who went on and on about how bullish she was with KCB. I bought KCB because of dividends and her(broker) advise. My strategy is dividends and a rich assets(think ARM factories, Kenya Power infrastructure, KCB cash, Kapchorua farms/forests etc).I also derive happiness when i go to my hotel(Mombasa Serena) on Friday evening to find a couple of governors,MPs, Senators and others spending lavishingly or seeing colleagues receiving bills from my utility(Kenya power) or even going to Naivas and head straight to the cosmetic section and ask the attendant whether she will recommend that i purchase Zoe shower gel or some other product etc.

I intend to buy Kengen and Safaricom(i dont care about price here) also as a retirement scheme.Offcourse i will continue buying Kenya power, TPS and Kapchorua and perhaps speculate more on FTGH and ARM. One thing i have learnt in my short years in this world is that accumulation = wealth. Huku Mombasa they have a saying that "Ukipanda pantosha, utavuna pankwisha. I want to be a situation where dividends are my subsistence and not the measly salary from my muhindi.


Have you looked at kenya power and ARM liabilities.
ARM is dead,people will be left with worthless shares.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Fyatu
#468 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 5:10:20 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo]part of the huge liabilities of kenya power came from here.

https://mobile.nation.co...7642-h0bludz/index.html[/quote]
I cannot open the link...



its in today nation paper.You can try www.nation.co.ke/business news
No luck. Anyway, Gichuru was a crook BUT what's worse is that WE aren't doing anything about it. It was Jersey that went after him.

very sad to see the share with diarrhoea when quite a number are gaining


the market is not happy about the negative cashflow of kshs 7bilion


A time to get greedyDrool . Remember if they charged every of their 6 millions strong customers an average of kshs. 1000 in two consecutive months they will reverse the negative cashflow. This one is my pension scheme.


i agree with you @fyatu .The current price is a buy for those who got in at 12.Kenya power is an undervalued stock whose only weakness is Gok mismanagement.
Im still re-arranging my portfolio.Im yet to decide my core holding versus lesser holdings.I was buying randomly without any plan between 2015 and last year.
This year i decided to be very careful with my buying.Im a long term investor.
Can you pliz share your holdings in your portfolio.i know you have kenya power,ARM and the ill fated atlas(sorry for misfortune)



Kenya power, TPSE, ARM, FTGH, Kapchorua, Liberty, ATLAS.

I sold HFCK and bought KCB early this year after having drinks with my broker who went on and on about how bullish she was with KCB. I bought KCB because of dividends and her(broker) advise. My strategy is dividends and a rich assets(think ARM factories, Kenya Power infrastructure, KCB cash, Kapchorua farms/forests etc).I also derive happiness when i go to my hotel(Mombasa Serena) on Friday evening to find a couple of governors,MPs, Senators and others spending lavishingly or seeing colleagues receiving bills from my utility(Kenya power) or even going to Naivas and head straight to the cosmetic section and ask the attendant whether she will recommend that i purchase Zoe shower gel or some other product etc.

I intend to buy Kengen and Safaricom(i dont care about price here) also as a retirement scheme.Offcourse i will continue buying Kenya power, TPS and Kapchorua and perhaps speculate more on FTGH and ARM. One thing i have learnt in my short years in this world is that accumulation = wealth. Huku Mombasa they have a saying that "Ukipanda pantosha, utavuna pankwisha. I want to be a situation where dividends are my subsistence and not the measly salary from my muhindi.


Have you looked at kenya power and ARM liabilities.
ARM is dead,people will be left with worthless shares.


I believe ARM total liabilities(yaani deni yote) liabilties = 23 billions Vs. Factories,limestone etc worth 51 billions and 1 billion shares trading at NSE.(fanya hesabu hapo kaka). As for Kenya power, just like SGR the liabilities are guaranteed by Gok(yaani mimi na wewe). CS Rotich told Kenyans that 2018/2019 GoK will allocate 680 billions of the budget to pay madeni meaning that the 120 billions Kenya power owes can be paid one off if GoK so wishes. Alternatively, Kenya power can charge all its 6 millions customers an average of 1000bob (ideal situation)for 40 consecutive months to pay debt and maintain operations at the same time..Another ideal situation is where Kenya power is auctioned to the highest bidder....i would imagine the millions of kilometers it has in terms of copper cables alone is enough to offset a huge chunk of the debt.If you throw in transformers,nguzo za concrete, substations,lorries, toolboxes etc mu-shaina can pay upto 1 trillion kenyan shillings asubuhi na mapema without blinking an eye
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Ericsson
#469 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 5:25:16 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
Fyatu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo]part of the huge liabilities of kenya power came from here.

https://mobile.nation.co...7642-h0bludz/index.html[/quote]
I cannot open the link...



its in today nation paper.You can try www.nation.co.ke/business news
No luck. Anyway, Gichuru was a crook BUT what's worse is that WE aren't doing anything about it. It was Jersey that went after him.

very sad to see the share with diarrhoea when quite a number are gaining


the market is not happy about the negative cashflow of kshs 7bilion


A time to get greedyDrool . Remember if they charged every of their 6 millions strong customers an average of kshs. 1000 in two consecutive months they will reverse the negative cashflow. This one is my pension scheme.


i agree with you @fyatu .The current price is a buy for those who got in at 12.Kenya power is an undervalued stock whose only weakness is Gok mismanagement.
Im still re-arranging my portfolio.Im yet to decide my core holding versus lesser holdings.I was buying randomly without any plan between 2015 and last year.
This year i decided to be very careful with my buying.Im a long term investor.
Can you pliz share your holdings in your portfolio.i know you have kenya power,ARM and the ill fated atlas(sorry for misfortune)



Kenya power, TPSE, ARM, FTGH, Kapchorua, Liberty, ATLAS.

I sold HFCK and bought KCB early this year after having drinks with my broker who went on and on about how bullish she was with KCB. I bought KCB because of dividends and her(broker) advise. My strategy is dividends and a rich assets(think ARM factories, Kenya Power infrastructure, KCB cash, Kapchorua farms/forests etc).I also derive happiness when i go to my hotel(Mombasa Serena) on Friday evening to find a couple of governors,MPs, Senators and others spending lavishingly or seeing colleagues receiving bills from my utility(Kenya power) or even going to Naivas and head straight to the cosmetic section and ask the attendant whether she will recommend that i purchase Zoe shower gel or some other product etc.

I intend to buy Kengen and Safaricom(i dont care about price here) also as a retirement scheme.Offcourse i will continue buying Kenya power, TPS and Kapchorua and perhaps speculate more on FTGH and ARM. One thing i have learnt in my short years in this world is that accumulation = wealth. Huku Mombasa they have a saying that "Ukipanda pantosha, utavuna pankwisha. I want to be a situation where dividends are my subsistence and not the measly salary from my muhindi.


Have you looked at kenya power and ARM liabilities.
ARM is dead,people will be left with worthless shares.


I believe ARM total liabilities(yaani deni yote) liabilties = 23 billions Vs. Factories,limestone etc worth 51 billions and 1 billion shares trading at NSE.(fanya hesabu hapo kaka). As for Kenya power, just like SGR the liabilities are guaranteed by Gok(yaani mimi na wewe). CS Rotich told Kenyans that 2018/2019 GoK will allocate 680 billions of the budget to pay madeni meaning that the 120 billions Kenya power owes can be paid one off if GoK so wishes. Alternatively, Kenya power can charge all its 6 millions customers an average of 1000bob (ideal situation)for 40 consecutive months to pay debt and maintain operations at the same time..Another ideal situation is where Kenya power is auctioned to the highest bidder....i would imagine the millions of kilometers it has in terms of copper cables alone is enough to offset a huge chunk of the debt.If you throw in transformers,nguzo za concrete, substations,lorries, toolboxes etc mu-shaina can pay upto 1 trillion kenyan shillings asubuhi na mapema without blinking an eye


If things were like then we would all be millionaires,billionaires and if possible trillionaires
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Fyatu
#470 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 5:41:58 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo]part of the huge liabilities of kenya power came from here.

https://mobile.nation.co...7642-h0bludz/index.html[/quote]
I cannot open the link...



its in today nation paper.You can try www.nation.co.ke/business news
No luck. Anyway, Gichuru was a crook BUT what's worse is that WE aren't doing anything about it. It was Jersey that went after him.

very sad to see the share with diarrhoea when quite a number are gaining


the market is not happy about the negative cashflow of kshs 7bilion


A time to get greedyDrool . Remember if they charged every of their 6 millions strong customers an average of kshs. 1000 in two consecutive months they will reverse the negative cashflow. This one is my pension scheme.


i agree with you @fyatu .The current price is a buy for those who got in at 12.Kenya power is an undervalued stock whose only weakness is Gok mismanagement.
Im still re-arranging my portfolio.Im yet to decide my core holding versus lesser holdings.I was buying randomly without any plan between 2015 and last year.
This year i decided to be very careful with my buying.Im a long term investor.
Can you pliz share your holdings in your portfolio.i know you have kenya power,ARM and the ill fated atlas(sorry for misfortune)



Kenya power, TPSE, ARM, FTGH, Kapchorua, Liberty, ATLAS.

I sold HFCK and bought KCB early this year after having drinks with my broker who went on and on about how bullish she was with KCB. I bought KCB because of dividends and her(broker) advise. My strategy is dividends and a rich assets(think ARM factories, Kenya Power infrastructure, KCB cash, Kapchorua farms/forests etc).I also derive happiness when i go to my hotel(Mombasa Serena) on Friday evening to find a couple of governors,MPs, Senators and others spending lavishingly or seeing colleagues receiving bills from my utility(Kenya power) or even going to Naivas and head straight to the cosmetic section and ask the attendant whether she will recommend that i purchase Zoe shower gel or some other product etc.

I intend to buy Kengen and Safaricom(i dont care about price here) also as a retirement scheme.Offcourse i will continue buying Kenya power, TPS and Kapchorua and perhaps speculate more on FTGH and ARM. One thing i have learnt in my short years in this world is that accumulation = wealth. Huku Mombasa they have a saying that "Ukipanda pantosha, utavuna pankwisha. I want to be a situation where dividends are my subsistence and not the measly salary from my muhindi.


Have you looked at kenya power and ARM liabilities.
ARM is dead,people will be left with worthless shares.


I believe ARM total liabilities(yaani deni yote) liabilties = 23 billions Vs. Factories,limestone etc worth 51 billions and 1 billion shares trading at NSE.(fanya hesabu hapo kaka). As for Kenya power, just like SGR the liabilities are guaranteed by Gok(yaani mimi na wewe). CS Rotich told Kenyans that 2018/2019 GoK will allocate 680 billions of the budget to pay madeni meaning that the 120 billions Kenya power owes can be paid one off if GoK so wishes. Alternatively, Kenya power can charge all its 6 millions customers an average of 1000bob (ideal situation)for 40 consecutive months to pay debt and maintain operations at the same time..Another ideal situation is where Kenya power is auctioned to the highest bidder....i would imagine the millions of kilometers it has in terms of copper cables alone is enough to offset a huge chunk of the debt.If you throw in transformers,nguzo za concrete, substations,lorries, toolboxes etc mu-shaina can pay upto 1 trillion kenyan shillings asubuhi na mapema without blinking an eye


If things were like then we would all be millionaires,billionaires and if possible trillionaires


We cannot all be billionaires,millionaires because some of us lack patience and understanding. Hii biashara sio complex as some of us would want everyone to believe.

If for example the law was changed(or katiba 2010 was followed to the later) and a competitor was allowed to supply electricity to say Nairobi county alone. How much will it cost to put up the infrastructure? What about for 24 out of 47 counties? How much will it cost to just install transmission lines alone?

Lets say that Kenya power was sold to a mo-shaina or mo-america or an Indian investor How much will say all the meters installed cost the buyer?

The only way to make money(become a billionaire) in the stock market is to identify rich assets selling cheap and accumulate as much as possible and hold for 50 years. This cannot be done by smart folk or everybody. It can only be done by the unasuming regular Joe next door who you sometime sneer with contempt when he is parking his jalopy.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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