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Drobos fly
#31 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:09:03 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
I would advice anyone who thinks or repeats that Christians have 3 Gods to repent, and seek knowledge.

I used to think the virgins in Jihad, was written down, until I sought to find out the truth.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.


My friend, if by touch you were made alive by the Spirit of God, it is not you who has given yourself revelation that you may see in the spirit so is the doctrine of salvation. It is not you who calls yourself, thus not you who gives yourself revelation.

Salvation doesn't make sense on a carnal or logical level neither does the 3 gods argument make any sense, so does it apply to faith, it is also as senseless as salvation, this is why worldly wisdom is foolishness before God and Godly wisdom is foolishness before man, hence you appear to be foolish and are advised to take Titus 3:7-10 into heart seriously and especially 10, "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

It needs no defense for in itself has been declared in Heb 4:12 so no amount of your pursuit, effort or emphasis will change anything for revelation is made manifest by the Spirit of God, going back to Titus 3:9. Choose your battles wisely. That which is of the Spirit can only discerned by those made alive in the Spirit for God is Spirit and cannot be bottled in a worldly domain, you cannot a use finite mind to explain an infinite God. If you can bottle God in your mind to fully understand Him, does that still make Him the infinite God we know Him to be? That should tell you that we probably do not worship the same God if one can be fully understood and bottled and the other is infinitely powerful and is all about Love than take a life in the name of God (seriously read John 16:2-3).

No one will understand unless by the Spirit of God who brings revelation. Yours is to deliver the living Word and let the Spirit take over if at all they accept the way of the Spirit.
AlphDoti
#32 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:43:28 AM
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Drobos fly wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
I would advice anyone who thinks or repeats that Christians have 3 Gods to repent, and seek knowledge.

I used to think the virgins in Jihad, was written down, until I sought to find out the truth.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.

My friend, if by touch you were made alive by the Spirit of God, it is not you who has given yourself revelation that you may see in the spirit so is the doctrine of salvation. It is not you who calls yourself, thus not you who gives yourself revelation.

Salvation doesn't make sense on a carnal or logical level neither does the 3 gods argument make any sense, so does it apply to faith, it is also as senseless as salvation, this is why worldly wisdom is foolishness before God and Godly wisdom is foolishness before man, hence you appear to be foolish and are advised to take Titus 3:7-10 into heart seriously and especially 10, "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

It needs no defense for in itself has been declared in Heb 4:12 so no amount of your pursuit, effort or emphasis will change anything for revelation is made manifest by the Spirit of God, going back to Titus 3:9. Choose your battles wisely. That which is of the Spirit can only discerned by those made alive in the Spirit for God is Spirit and cannot be bottled in a worldly domain, you cannot a use finite mind to explain an infinite God. If you can bottle God in your mind to fully understand Him, does that still make Him the infinite God we know Him to be? That should tell you that we probably do not worship the same God if one can be fully understood and bottled and the other is infinitely powerful and is all about Love than take a life in the name of God (seriously read John 16:2-3).

No one will understand unless by the Spirit of God who brings revelation. Yours is to deliver the living Word and let the Spirit take over if at all they accept the way of the Spirit.

Another one has taken over from the pastor... @Drobos smile smile

Bro ati this is mystery? By God this is confusion!

Even your Paul says "There is but One God, the Father." 1 Corinthians 8:6

Ati to be confused like that is strength?
Ati we cannot comprehend the majesty and glory of the infinite Creator, so you accept the confusion of trinity? Not so bros. This doctrine of the Trinity is incomprehensible. Even Jehovah Witness followers reject this doctrine. Also the Adventists reject that doctrine. The Creator of this Universe has explicitly revealed himself as a mighty, unitary being, the great first cause of all things, having no equal, no predecessor and no successor. He is YAHWEH by name, or Allah by another name, and God by English title.

God He declared Himself to be One:
(a). "Hear, O Israel, the LORD your God is One" Deuteronomy 6:4
(b). "Know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD" Isaiah 43:10-11.

O People of the Scripture [Jews & Christians], do not commit excess in your religion... And DO NOT SAY TRINITY; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. Quran 4:171
masukuma
#33 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:04:11 PM
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nimeanza kuona blue statements...bado tuko swearing with tomes?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Mukiri
#34 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:40:51 PM
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Drobos fly wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
I would advice anyone who thinks or repeats that Christians have 3 Gods to repent, and seek knowledge.

I used to think the virgins in Jihad, was written down, until I sought to find out the truth.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.


My friend, if by touch you were made alive by the Spirit of God, it is not you who has given yourself revelation that you may see in the spirit so is the doctrine of salvation. It is not you who calls yourself, thus not you who gives yourself revelation.

Salvation doesn't make sense on a carnal or logical level neither does the 3 gods argument make any sense, so does it apply to faith, it is also as senseless as salvation, this is why worldly wisdom is foolishness before God and Godly wisdom is foolishness before man, hence you appear to be foolish and are advised to take Titus 3:7-10 into heart seriously and especially 10, "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

It needs no defense for in itself has been declared in Heb 4:12 so no amount of your pursuit, effort or emphasis will change anything for revelation is made manifest by the Spirit of God, going back to Titus 3:9. Choose your battles wisely. That which is of the Spirit can only discerned by those made alive in the Spirit for God is Spirit and cannot be bottled in a worldly domain, you cannot a use finite mind to explain an infinite God. If you can bottle God in your mind to fully understand Him, does that still make Him the infinite God we know Him to be? That should tell you that we probably do not worship the same God if one can be fully understood and bottled and the other is infinitely powerful and is all about Love than take a life in the name of God (seriously read John 16:2-3).

No one will understand unless by the Spirit of God who brings revelation. Yours is to deliver the living Word and let the Spirit take over if at all they accept the way of the Spirit.

True. Well articulated. I couldn't agree more.

However, we have been called to be fishers of men. The great commission. That, and be our brother's keeper. A brother can only try to pacify another, no? Until there is none, there is still hope for our brother.

Proverbs 19:21
AlphDoti
#35 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:18:00 PM
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The Jews were aware that God would send a Messiah (in Hebrew language) or Christ (in Greek). One anointed by God as his prophet, as his servant. In fact, Moses told them, saying "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken" (Deuteronomy 18:15). Earlier, Isaiah told them "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put my spirit upon him" (Isaiah 42:1).

For sure, Jesus a.s was that promised Messiah. One of the most important subordinate of God Almighty... "God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows" Hebrews1:9.

Nowhere do we find in the Bible where Jesus a.s. is equal to Almighty God.

If only triniterians would repent from that utterance.
tycho
#36 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:39:58 PM
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The globalization of religion and culture, by both Christian based politics and the Mohamedan approach has been and is a great evil that we should consider seriously.

The assumptions held by them are very restricted and erroneous as far as the mind is concerned. And consequently, they can only serve to oppress and delude.

Drobos fly
#37 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 5:57:56 PM
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Mukiri wrote:

True. Well articulated. I couldn't agree more.

However, we have been called to be fishers of men. The great commission. That, and be our brother's keeper. A brother can only try to pacify another, no? Until there is none, there is still hope for our brother.


Fishermen yes but what does Matthew 10:14 say to you?.. It doesn't say you engage in disputes, it says you depart from them if they don't give you any audience. What you really need is discernment, learn to hear that gentle still voice, because some of the battles you engage in are not lead of God. Where the Spirit of God moves, there is always a powerful revival and change in the hearts of men, it's not futile and taking a dissension form which I have on many occasions seen between you and AlphDoti. Learn from David. A brother in biblical definition is someone who you share in the faith and beliefs. Someone who doesn't share your faith is a non-believer, I hope you are not confusing the two, they should be clear enough even with the emphasis given in 2 Corinth 6:14

It should also be clear to you that either one is a truth seeker in the manner they engage you or blindly driven by the accuser of brethren and his agents. Notice the strategy taken, the use of other religions other than their own and in addition twisting your faith just to prove a point. That in itself tells you that they subconsciously have no confidence in their own religion to refute anything against you. Basically it is unfounded, they are just in denial.

There are two kinds of people in this world when it comes to the gospel. There are those that are like King Saul and those that are like Paul of tarsus. Both initially were against the works of God but see them at the end of their lives, their destinations were different. You need discernment on whom you are engaging with to know whether they are like Luke 16:31. There are those who are sadly beyond redemption because of their hearts have been stacked against God and His ways.

Strife and dissension is sin. If it doesn't leave anyone different or have something to meditate upon, you are wasting your time. They are not the only ones you have been commanded to share with. If you have such a burden for them, it's time you probably engaged on another level like prayer and fasting but again is that what God is leading you to do?
AlphDoti
#38 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:53:27 PM
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Caramba wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Admit it you Christians ...you have been floored by this @AlphDoti chap.... Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly brought sticks to a gun fight

The Xtian brethren have maintained a loud silence on some of @AlphDoti's arguments. Could it be that parts of the bible:

i). Are metaphorical and not meant to be taken literally? E.g. Jacob's bout with God.

ii). Were misrepresented by the transcribers?

iii). Or are simply dogma to be accepted without question?

We have been trough this virtuous cycle before here Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

When they can't answer or explain a verse in Bible, they come up with a smart excuse to find way out...
AlphDoti
#39 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:00:25 PM
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Drobos fly wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

True. Well articulated. I couldn't agree more.

However, we have been called to be fishers of men. The great commission. That, and be our brother's keeper. A brother can only try to pacify another, no? Until there is none, there is still hope for our brother.

Fishermen yes but what does Matthew 10:14 say to you?.. It doesn't say you engage in disputes, it says you depart from them if they don't give you any audience. What you really need is discernment, learn to hear that gentle still voice, because some of the battles you engage in are not lead of God. Where the Spirit of God moves, there is always a powerful revival and change in the hearts of men, it's not futile and taking a dissension form which I have on many occasions seen between you and AlphDoti. Learn from David. A brother in biblical definition is someone who you share in the faith and beliefs. Someone who doesn't share your faith is a non-believer, I hope you are not confusing the two, they should be clear enough even with the emphasis given in 2 Corinth 6:14

It should also be clear to you that either one is a truth seeker in the manner they engage you or blindly driven by the accuser of brethren and his agents. Notice the strategy taken, the use of other religions other than their own and in addition twisting your faith just to prove a point. That in itself tells you that they subconsciously have no confidence in their own religion to refute anything against you. Basically it is unfounded, they are just in denial.

There are two kinds of people in this world when it comes to the gospel. There are those that are like King Saul and those that are like Paul of tarsus. Both initially were against the works of God but see them at the end of their lives, their destinations were different. You need discernment on whom you are engaging with to know whether they are like Luke 16:31. There are those who are sadly beyond redemption because of their hearts have been stacked against God and His ways.

Strife and dissension is sin. If it doesn't leave anyone different or have something to meditate upon, you are wasting your time. They are not the only ones you have been commanded to share with. If you have such a burden for them, it's time you probably engaged on another level like prayer and fasting but again is that what God is leading you to do?

To refute your claims, I have to use your own Bible to show you where you get it wrong. If I use the Quran, you'll turn around and say "oh, but I don't believe in that. Oh, ..."

So I have to use your own witness.
tycho
#40 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:24:24 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
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AlphDoti wrote:
Caramba wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Admit it you Christians ...you have been floored by this @AlphDoti chap.... Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly brought sticks to a gun fight

The Xtian brethren have maintained a loud silence on some of @AlphDoti's arguments. Could it be that parts of the bible:

i). Are metaphorical and not meant to be taken literally? E.g. Jacob's bout with God.

ii). Were misrepresented by the transcribers?

iii). Or are simply dogma to be accepted without question?

We have been trough this virtuous cycle before here Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

When they can't answer or explain a verse in Bible, they come up with a smart excuse to find way out...


Not so fast. The argument above should be understood as, '@Alph appears to 'win' over the Christians he seems to have engaged.

But the real matters are otherwise inadequately debated or considered.

It could be like Tusker beating Karumaindo impromptu club in a game of soccer.
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