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Swearing with the Bible/holy book
masukuma
#21 Posted : Thursday, March 08, 2018 6:53:01 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
So as long as you are a politician who is a Christian, Hindu or follower any of the 3500 plus religions that are not muslim... don't bother... your repentance is null and void.

Repentance is acceptable from anybody. After that obedience and submission to Almighty God. Comprehensive answer here

yes... so one cannot 'repent' bila 'kusalimu/silimu'
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
AlphDoti
#22 Posted : Thursday, March 08, 2018 7:20:09 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
So as long as you are a politician who is a Christian, Hindu or follower any of the 3500 plus religions that are not muslim... don't bother... your repentance is null and void.

Repentance is acceptable from anybody. After that obedience and submission to Almighty God. Comprehensive answer here

yes... so one cannot 'repent' bila 'kusalimu/silimu'

It depends what you are repenting from. I explained it in the previous post... In summary:

1. If you are repenting towards wrongdoing to your fellow human being, e.g. in the case of politician "eating" public money, then kusilimu is not a condition.

2. If you are repenting from wrong done towards your creator, the God Almighty, like associating partners with Almighty God e.g. worshiping three gods, or 100 gods etc... then Kusilimu ni ku-kikiri kuwa umesalimu amri... kusalimu, kisilimu... amri ya nani? Ya Mwenyezi Mungu na kufuata maamrishi zake na kuacha makatazo zzake.
Mukiri
#23 Posted : Thursday, March 08, 2018 8:37:33 PM
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I would advice anyone who thinks or repeats that Christians have 3 Gods to repent, and seek knowledge.

I used to think the virgins in Jihad, was written down, until I sought to find out the truth.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.

Proverbs 19:21
masukuma
#24 Posted : Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:31:00 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
So as long as you are a politician who is a Christian, Hindu or follower any of the 3500 plus religions that are not muslim... don't bother... your repentance is null and void.

Repentance is acceptable from anybody. After that obedience and submission to Almighty God. Comprehensive answer here

yes... so one cannot 'repent' bila 'kusalimu/silimu'

It depends what you are repenting from. I explained it in the previous post... In summary:

1. If you are repenting towards wrongdoing to your fellow human being, e.g. in the case of politician "eating" public money, then kusilimu is not a condition.

2. If you are repenting from wrong done towards your creator, the God Almighty, like associating partners with Almighty God e.g. worshiping three gods, or 100 gods etc... then Kusilimu ni ku-kikiri kuwa umesalimu amri... kusalimu, kisilimu... amri ya nani? Ya Mwenyezi Mungu na kufuata maamrishi zake na kuacha makatazo zzake.

so what's the point of doing 1 without doing 2?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
AlphDoti
#25 Posted : Friday, March 09, 2018 9:30:15 AM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
So as long as you are a politician who is a Christian, Hindu or follower any of the 3500 plus religions that are not muslim... don't bother... your repentance is null and void.

Repentance is acceptable from anybody. After that obedience and submission to Almighty God. Comprehensive answer here

yes... so one cannot 'repent' bila 'kusalimu/silimu'

It depends what you are repenting from. I explained it in the previous post... In summary:

1. If you are repenting towards wrongdoing to your fellow human being, e.g. in the case of politician "eating" public money, then kusilimu is not a condition.

2. If you are repenting from wrong done towards your creator, the God Almighty, like associating partners with Almighty God e.g. worshiping three gods, or 100 gods etc... then Kusilimu ni ku-kikiri kuwa umesalimu amri... kusalimu, kisilimu... amri ya nani? Ya Mwenyezi Mungu na kufuata maamrishi zake na kuacha makatazo zzake.

so what's the point of doing 1 without doing 2

Doing 1 i.e. good works have its place in your life. And ultimate Salvation to enter into jannah, paradise is something else, doing 2.

If you do 1 alone, and abandon 2, then your faith is not genuine. Because entering into jannah is by true faith, belief in One God, not three in one, not 100 in one, not 1000 in one... It is not by works alone, but a faith that works i.e. that is genuine, genuine obedience.
AlphDoti
#26 Posted : Friday, March 09, 2018 10:39:10 AM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Mukiri wrote:
I would advice anyone who thinks or repeats that Christians have 3 Gods to repent, and seek knowledge.

I used to think the virgins in Jihad, was written down, until I sought to find out the truth.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.

Ati Gods are three in One!!!

Read Acts 5:31 "Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."

Who is God here? Whose right hand? Who is the prince? Is the prince exalting himself? Who are the Israelites? Is Kamba from tribe of Israel? Is Luhyia from tribe of Israel? Is Kikuyu from tribe of Israel? Is Kale from the tribe of Israel?

Mark 16:19: After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Whose right side did Jesus sit by? Did he sit by his own right side? smile
Mukiri
#27 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2018 8:59:32 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
I would advice anyone who thinks or repeats that Christians have 3 Gods to repent, and seek knowledge.

I used to think the virgins in Jihad, was written down, until I sought to find out the truth.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.

Ati Gods are three in One!!!

Read Acts 5:31 "Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."

Who is God here? Whose right hand? Who is the prince? Is the prince exalting himself? Who are the Israelites? Is Kamba from tribe of Israel? Is Luhyia from tribe of Israel? Is Kikuyu from tribe of Israel? Is Kale from the tribe of Israel?

Mark 16:19: After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Whose right side did Jesus sit by? Did he sit by his own right side? smile

It is almost impossible to add anything onto a hand that is full, as it is to change an (old) mind, set in its ways.

However, I'm always glad when the Holy Spirit comes onto a person and gives them the wisdom to interpret the Bible. I've been told not to lean onto my own understanding, maybe now I can lean on yours.
smile

Proverbs 19:21
AlphDoti
#28 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2018 8:47:07 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Mukiri wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
I would advice anyone who thinks or repeats that Christians have 3 Gods to repent, and seek knowledge.

I used to think the virgins in Jihad, was written down, until I sought to find out the truth.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.

Ati Gods are three in One!!!

Read Acts 5:31 "Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."

Who is God here? Whose right hand? Who is the prince? Is the prince exalting himself? Who are the Israelites? Is Kamba from tribe of Israel? Is Luhyia from tribe of Israel? Is Kikuyu from tribe of Israel? Is Kale from the tribe of Israel?

Mark 16:19: After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Whose right side did Jesus sit by? Did he sit by his own right side? smile

It is almost impossible to add anything onto a hand that is full, as it is to change an (old) mind, set in its ways.

However, I'm always glad when the Holy Spirit comes onto a person and gives them the wisdom to interpret the Bible. I've been told not to lean onto my own understanding, maybe now I can lean on yours.
smile

What about a pre-conditioned mind, can it answer the questions asked? Is that brilliant mind capable of adding 1+1+1=1?
Mukiri
#29 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2018 7:31:58 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
I would advice anyone who thinks or repeats that Christians have 3 Gods to repent, and seek knowledge.

I used to think the virgins in Jihad, was written down, until I sought to find out the truth.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.

Ati Gods are three in One!!!

Read Acts 5:31 "Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."

Who is God here? Whose right hand? Who is the prince? Is the prince exalting himself? Who are the Israelites? Is Kamba from tribe of Israel? Is Luhyia from tribe of Israel? Is Kikuyu from tribe of Israel? Is Kale from the tribe of Israel?

Mark 16:19: After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Whose right side did Jesus sit by? Did he sit by his own right side? smile

It is almost impossible to add anything onto a hand that is full, as it is to change an (old) mind, set in its ways.

However, I'm always glad when the Holy Spirit comes onto a person and gives them the wisdom to interpret the Bible. I've been told not to lean onto my own understanding, maybe now I can lean on yours.
smile

What about a pre-conditioned mind, can it answer the questions asked? Is that brilliant mind capable of adding 1+1+1=1?

By brilliant mind I assume you mean, one inspired of the Holy Spirit? If I may dare to answer, I'd say you now finally know your Christian math.

For your information, the mind is fickle. That which you treasure, and are so eager to dish out, more often than not unsolicited.... can be lost in amnesia, disease (eg parkinsons), substance, noise et al Take for example, your math I bet is God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit, no? It is also written that in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God Liar You might want to add another 1, to your math, for The Word!smile

Proverbs 19:21
AlphDoti
#30 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2018 7:59:01 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Mukiri wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
I would advice anyone who thinks or repeats that Christians have 3 Gods to repent, and seek knowledge.

I used to think the virgins in Jihad, was written down, until I sought to find out the truth.

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.

Ati Gods are three in One!!!

Read Acts 5:31 "Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."

Who is God here? Whose right hand? Who is the prince? Is the prince exalting himself? Who are the Israelites? Is Kamba from tribe of Israel? Is Luhyia from tribe of Israel? Is Kikuyu from tribe of Israel? Is Kale from the tribe of Israel?

Mark 16:19: After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Whose right side did Jesus sit by? Did he sit by his own right side? smile

It is almost impossible to add anything onto a hand that is full, as it is to change an (old) mind, set in its ways.

However, I'm always glad when the Holy Spirit comes onto a person and gives them the wisdom to interpret the Bible. I've been told not to lean onto my own understanding, maybe now I can lean on yours.
smile

What about a pre-conditioned mind, can it answer the questions asked? Is that brilliant mind capable of adding 1+1+1=1?

By brilliant mind I assume you mean, one inspired of the Holy Spirit? If I may dare to answer, I'd say you now finally know your Christian math.

For your information, the mind is fickle. That which you treasure, and are so eager to dish out, more often than not unsolicited.... can be lost in amnesia, disease (eg parkinsons), substance, noise et al Take for example, your math I bet is God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit, no? It is also written that in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God Liar You might want to add another 1, to your math, for The Word!smile

1 + 1 + 1 = 1 !!! Applause Applause Applause

Bible Matthew 1:18: Now the birth of Jesus Christ was coming about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Joseph her husband, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

So who's this enabling pregnancy? malaika wa bwana... who was Mariam worshiping while baby Jesus was a fetus in the stomach, making Mariam loose apetite, vomit... who was helping Mariam not to abort? Was it the baby in stomach?
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