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I've always wondered, does swearing with the Bible or any other holy book in court mean that the criminal or witness will be rendered incapable of lying? Or politician incapable of stealing and violating the constitution? Will a murderer confess after swearing to give truthful testimony? Just one of those things I've always wondered about.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:I've always wondered, does swearing with the Bible or any other holy book in court mean that the criminal or witness will be rendered incapable of lying? Or politician incapable of stealing and violating the constitution? Will a murderer confess after swearing to give truthful testimony?
Just one of those things I've always wondered about. it's just a tradition/customs... Quote:
Swearing on the Bible, you understand that shit? They tell you to raise your right hand and put your left hand on the Bible. Does this stuff really matter, which hand? Does God really give a f*** about details like this? Suppose you put your right hand on the Bible and you raise your left hand. Would that count? Or would God say, 'Sorry, wrong hand, try again'? And why does one hand have to be raised? [...] But let's get back to the Bible, America's favorite national theatrical prop.
Suppose the Bible they hand you to swear on is upside down, or backward, or both, and you swear to tell the truth on an upside-down backward Bible. Would that count? Suppose the Bible they hand you is an old Bible and half the pages are missing. Suppose all they have is a Chinese Bible. In an American court. Or a Braille Bible, and you're not blind. Suppose they hand you an upside-down, backward, Chinese, Braille Bible with half the pages missing. At what point does all of this stuff just break down and become just a lot of stupid shit that somebody made up? They f***in' made it up, folks, it's make-believe! It's make-believe [...] Bible or no Bible, God or no God, if it suits their purposes, people are going to lie in court.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@2012 do you know the meaning of taking an oath? There lies your answer.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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I will assume that "holy book" in your subject is the Quran.
First of all we are ordered not to do something haram/forbidden... For example those who are believers, God Almighty tells not to lie. He tells us not steal... he tells us not to kill yourself. He enjoins us many, many good things we can do and prohibits us a few evil things... So he prohibits us not to lie...
Holy books tell us "Do not ear false witness".
Now someone who is to testify is required to tell the truth. So in a moment of truth he says wallahi I speak the truth and only truth. He swears to prevent himself from doing something. It gives him incentive.
So if he breaks this vow, God Almighty will judge him... He will have earned himself a sin.
I hope this answers your question.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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AlphDoti wrote:I will assume that "holy book" in your subject is the Quran.
First of all we are ordered not to do something haram/forbidden... For example those who are believers, God Almighty tells not to lie. He tells us not steal... he tells us not to kill yourself. He enjoins us many, many good things we can do and prohibits us a few evil things... So he prohibits us not to lie...
Holy books tell us "Do not ear false witness".
Now someone who is to testify is required to tell the truth. So in a moment of truth he says wallahi I speak the truth and only truth. He swears to prevent himself from doing something. It gives him incentive.
So if he breaks this vow, God Almighty will judge him... He will have earned himself a sin.
I hope this answers your question. No you have not answered. If it has earned you a sin, all you need to do after that is to repent, right?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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washiku wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I will assume that "holy book" in your subject is the Quran.
First of all we are ordered not to do something haram/forbidden... For example those who are believers, God Almighty tells not to lie. He tells us not steal... he tells us not to kill yourself. He enjoins us many, many good things we can do and prohibits us a few evil things... So he prohibits us not to lie...
Holy books tell us "Do not ear false witness".
Now someone who is to testify is required to tell the truth. So in a moment of truth he says wallahi I speak the truth and only truth. He swears to prevent himself from doing something. It gives him incentive.
So if he breaks this vow, God Almighty will judge him... He will have earned himself a sin.
I hope this answers your question. No you have not answered. If it has earned you a sin, all you need to do after that is to repent, right? @washiku, yes you have to repent and seek forgiveness from Almighty God for giving false witness. BUT! There is no forgiveness of the sin until you restore aggrieved people’s rights. What I mean is, if that false testimony resulted in depriving others of what was rightfully theirs, then repentance is not grated. I can give more explanation to this... I fear to make the post long 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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washiku wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I will assume that "holy book" in your subject is the Quran.
First of all we are ordered not to do something haram/forbidden... For example those who are believers, God Almighty tells not to lie. He tells us not steal... he tells us not to kill yourself. He enjoins us many, many good things we can do and prohibits us a few evil things... So he prohibits us not to lie...
Holy books tell us "Do not ear false witness".
Now someone who is to testify is required to tell the truth. So in a moment of truth he says wallahi I speak the truth and only truth. He swears to prevent himself from doing something. It gives him incentive.
So if he breaks this vow, God Almighty will judge him... He will have earned himself a sin.
I hope this answers your question. No you have not answered. If it has earned you a sin, all you need to do after that is to repent, right? Ofcourse you can repent and be forgiven but you still bear the repercussions of your actions. Many many examples of great men of God who sinned and suffered for it, inspite of their forgiveness. I'll give you a simple example... If you choose to commit adultery with a HIV positive woman and get the disease, seek forgiveness; you will be forgiven but will suffer the affliction. Wages of sin is death (Not necessarily loss of life, but death of so many other things eg finances, peace etc). So many people are walking dead
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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AlphDoti wrote:washiku wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I will assume that "holy book" in your subject is the Quran.
First of all we are ordered not to do something haram/forbidden... For example those who are believers, God Almighty tells not to lie. He tells us not steal... he tells us not to kill yourself. He enjoins us many, many good things we can do and prohibits us a few evil things... So he prohibits us not to lie...
Holy books tell us "Do not ear false witness".
Now someone who is to testify is required to tell the truth. So in a moment of truth he says wallahi I speak the truth and only truth. He swears to prevent himself from doing something. It gives him incentive.
So if he breaks this vow, God Almighty will judge him... He will have earned himself a sin.
I hope this answers your question. No you have not answered. If it has earned you a sin, all you need to do after that is to repent, right? @washiku, yes you have to repent and seek forgiveness from Almighty God for giving false witness. BUT! There is no forgiveness of the sin until you restore aggrieved people’s rights. What I mean is, if that false testimony resulted in depriving others of what was rightfully theirs, then repentance is not grated. I can give more explanation to this... I fear to make the post long This makes sense. Thanks.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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A little details...
Whether repentance is grated or not depends on two ways:
1. If the false witness DID NOT cause any harm, or it did but you can fix it with the concerned person and all goes well and good, then you do not have to go back to the court and announce that. You can conceal that which God has concealed. He will forgive you.
2. Otherwise, if harm was caused to the aggrieved party, then your repentance is not accepted from God UNTIL you restore what is rightfully belongs to the aggrieved party.
So for the later case, you have to go to the court, tell them that you lied, and suffer the consequences of court. The judge or kadhi has the right to impose whatever lawful punishment he sees fit for the one who bear false witness. After this, then Almighty God now accepts the repentance and you are now free from the sin.
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