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What Happens After Death?
kyukkamba
#1 Posted : Wednesday, June 02, 2010 2:52:40 PM
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If you are following any religion then what does your book says about this? and what do you as a person think?
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kadonye
#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:02:15 PM
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This is one issue that Christian scholars and Pastors never agree on.While it's most widely accepted that one's spirit leaves the body n he joins God in heaven, some Christian writers like Doug Batchelor strongly oppose the notion and advance a different one which suggests that on death one goes into a state of stillness until the second coming of Christ when the dead shall be raised in readiness for judgment
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atiriri
#3 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:13:38 AM
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@Kadonye, what about the living dead. There is a tribe that talk to the dead. They name their children by calling the dead persons name until the child keeps quite.
Ja-Kom
#4 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:44:26 AM
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Allow me to put some literature ave read in past few day here...i think it gives an insight into the whole issue quite well.
Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion regarding what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” heaven or hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?

First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after death believers’ souls/spirits are taken to heaven, because their sins are forgiven by having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16, 18, 36). For believers, death is to be “away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave “sleeping.” At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified, and then reunited with the soul/spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the possession of believers for eternity in the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21-22).

Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, death means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the great white throne, and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not sent to hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried out, “I am in agony in this fire” (Luke 16:24).

Therefore, after death, a person resides in a “temporary” heaven or hell. After this temporary realm, at the final resurrection, a person’s eternal destiny will not change. The precise “location” of that eternal destiny is what changes. Believers will ultimately be granted entrance into the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1). Unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people—based entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).
You can read more in the book “The Wonder of Heaven: A Biblical Tour of Our Eternal Home” by Ron Rhodes.
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
B.Timer
#5 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:16:00 AM
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Once you die thats the end of the (your) story.
The body gets eaten up up a myriad of other living organisms safe for the bones. Infact if those bones fall in the jaws of Hyaenas nothing of them remains.

There is no such thing as soul, spirit bla bla.
Dunia ni msongamano..
kyukkamba
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:35:35 AM
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B.Timer wrote:
Once you die thats the end of the (your) story.
The body gets eaten up up a myriad of other living organisms safe for the bones. Infact if those bones fall in the jaws of Hyaenas nothing of them remains.

There is no such thing as soul, spirit bla bla.


smile can u please tell us y u think so? It might help in understanding u point better.
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kadonye
#7 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:44:48 AM
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Atiriri, the bible seems to allude to the fact that spirits of the dead are separate from their bodies and can even be recalled through evil works like witchcraft.In 1 Samuel 28, Saul consults a witch to get for him the spirit of prophet Samuel.He is successful and speaks to the recalled spirit

@Jakom-brilliant.What do you think Jesus meant when he told the repentant thief 'I tell you today you will be with me in paradise?'
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
sky5
#8 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:46:18 AM
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When you die, you (your soul) either go to heaven (paradise) or to hades (hell - is different from the 'lake of fire' but in close proximity).

@kadonye. When Jesus died and the thief died later that day (presumption...), they meet in paradise. (the holding place for the souls of believers.

Pablo
#9 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:48:21 AM
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Its interesting that 'committed' christians only believe that only those who accept Jesus will go to heaven.

What about catholics, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists (yes let me further add that they have heard of Jesus) What this means that they will all go to hell irrespective.

Personally, even if I profess the christian faith, I dont think that thats the case.
Ja-Kom
#10 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:55:52 AM
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@Kadonye..In the statement“I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43), Jesus is assuring one of the criminals on the cross that when he died, he would be with Jesus in heaven. This was granted because even at the hour of his death, the criminal had expressed his faith in Jesus, recognizing Him for who He was (Luke 23:42).
When we die,the body goes back to where it came from,the earth.Your Soul awaits judgement(your soul is the real you),and your spirit,to either hades or paradise.
@Pablo,whats your take,since you dont believe only those who accept Jesus will go to heaven?.
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
sky5
#11 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:57:48 AM
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@pablo.

why would Jesus admit anyone into His heaven if they haven't accepted or believed in him?
Pablo
#12 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:59:22 PM
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Who told you its Him alone who admits?
Maybe ita a pannel of Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, etc

Why would you believe its only christians who will go to heaven?

I am not saying they wont go but I am sure I will also meet Mahatma Gandhi and all those babies who died at birth.
Kusadikika
#13 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:24:56 PM
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NOBODY KNOWS!!!!!!!!!
African
#14 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:39:36 PM
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Tell me what happened when you were not born, and I will tell you what will happen when you die.smile

To confess though, when I was very little, before I heard of any life-after-death myth (or I was probably aware of my traditional belief that the spirit quits the body at death and goes into the environment ... the air, trees, rocks and water from whence it communes with us), I imagined and found it quite straight forward that life gets recycled ... I would always hope (pray) not to come back as a donkey. We had one hell of a stubborn donkey, and because we had to beat him quite severely every time, I feared the same would happen to me when if I come back as a donkey. I have not prayed for the blockages of such an outcome since I was a kid, but I am not sure I have totally dismissed the possibility that life cycles between people, donkeys, worms, crockodiles, etc.
kadonye
#15 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:20:27 PM
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@PABLO, In John 14:6 Jesus tells us he is the only way to the God.In John 3:16-17 Jesus outlines his mission on earth:to give the human race a chance to get eternal life only if they will believe in him.This is reinforced by Acts 4:12 which tells us that there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we MUST be saved.Thus salvation or exemption from eternal damnation is only found in the belief that Jesus is the son of God n that he died n rose again(Rom 10:9).But then u ask, is it Christians only who will escape hell's fire?what about those who never heard that there is a Jesus n his saving grace?or those who die young?Acts 17:30 tells us that when 1 is ignorant of the divine grace, God will overlook but once it is made known to you, He COMMANDS you to follow the Way.Thus u shd not equate Jesus with the late Mohammed,Krishna,Buddha or Jehova Wanyonyi.These fellows are kawaida like us.They will be kneeling beside us as we all proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
kyukkamba
#16 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:57:41 PM
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@ALL..
This post is not about who will go to heaven and who will be thrown in the hell fire. or rather who is to decide who will be burned and who will be spared....NO.. I / WE r just curious to know what ur religion says about "After Death" .. u might b a chriastian , Muslim, Budha, Hindu, Harekrishna, Akorino etc and all have their own way of teachings. A pagan also has his own understanding on what happens after death ...so.. Just tell us what ur religion says about it and what do u as a person think?Do u agree with ur religion or not? Then let everyone compare notes and decide by themseves...
otherwise I like what I am reading..
Ni Uhuru wa Mbesha...Niguo kana tiguo?
Pablo
#17 Posted : Friday, June 04, 2010 7:10:10 AM
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@Kadonye

Mohammed and Buddha may have also said that heaven is thro believing in them and Jesus is kawaida like us. You chose to believe the bible as Muslims chose the Quran. Who is right? - You will say you are, they will say they are.

Just thinking, if you were born in Saudi Arabia, there is a 99% youd be a muslim. So according to you (and your understanding), youd go to heaven or hell depending on where you were born and not what you did or did not do!!!
Tokyo
#18 Posted : Friday, June 04, 2010 8:15:28 AM
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When you die.The same as a GOAT spirit when it dies. or the spinach spirit I ate Yesterday
work to prosper
kadonye
#19 Posted : Friday, June 04, 2010 8:59:58 AM
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@PABLO

You've brought it out well.

From my post above, those who refuse to acknowledge Jesus' supremacy are damned.This is in reference to the stubborn.

The Bible is clear that there needds to be knowledge of Christ for salvation to happen.

Rom 10:14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

But you now ask what about if my faith is hindered by environment or society such that it becomes hard to believe?

This is where God's infinite mercy and perfect judgment will come in.I believe God is just and would not judge anyone harshly on account of things without that person's control.This is illustrated in Rom 10:14 as quoted.

But in the meantime, I'll serve the Lord Jesus, you choose for yourself who you will serve(Joshua 24:15)

Because 'I need no other argument, Ineed no other plea,it is enough that Jesus died and that he died for me'

I also strongly believe that a Christian who doesn't believe in the deity of Jesus and his no-compe from God-wanabees message has no business calling themselves Christian

What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
Ja-Kom
#20 Posted : Friday, June 04, 2010 9:09:33 AM
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Al alwez be in defense of my faith,and openly share my thougts.I know that there is life after death,just because He lives.
@Pablo,The existence of so many religions and the claim that all religions lead to God without question confuses many who are earnestly seeking the truth about God, with the end result sometimes being that some despair of ever reaching the absolute truth on the subject. Or they end up embracing the claim that all religions lead to God. Of course, many also point to the existence of so many religions as proof that either you cannot know God or that God simply does not exist.

Romans 1:19-21 contains the biblical explanation for why there are so many religions. The truth of God is seen and known by every human being because God has made it so. Instead of accepting the truth about God and submitting to it, most human beings reject it and seek their own way to understand God. But this leads not to enlightenment regarding God, but to futility of thinking. Here is where we find the basis of the “many religions.”

Many people do not want to believe in a God who demands righteousness and morality, so they invent a God who makes no such requirements. Many people do not want to believe in a God who declares it impossible for people to earn their own way to heaven. So they invent a God who accepts people into heaven if they have completed certain steps, followed certain rules, and/or obeyed certain laws, at least to the best of their ability. Many people do not want a relationship with a God who is sovereign and omnipotent. So they imagine God as being more of a mystical force than a personal and sovereign ruler.

The existence of so many religions is not an argument against God's existence or an argument that truth about God is not clear. Rather, the existence of so many religions is demonstration of humanity's rejection of the one true God. Mankind has replaced Him with gods that are more to their liking. This is dangerous . The desire to recreate God in our own image comes from the sin nature within us—a nature that will eventually “reap destruction” (Galatians 6:7-8).

Question,…do all religions lead to God? Actually they do. All but one leads to His judgment. Only one—Christianity—leads to His forgiveness and eternal life. No matter what religion one embraces, everyone will meet God after death (Hebrews 9:27). All religions lead to God, but only one religion will result in God's acceptance, because only through His salvation through faith in Jesus Christ can anyone approach Him with confidence. The decision to embrace the truth about God is important for a simple reason: eternity is an awfully long time to be wrong. This is why right thinking about God is so critical.
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
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