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uchumi
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 7:39:13 AM
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seaboard corporation has given an offer of kshs 40.00.i think its quite low compared to the assets they have.what is your take on the takeover.its in today nation page 17
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Ericsson
#2 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 8:20:16 AM
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They already own 50% of the company and have management control.
@vvs what's your take on this since you are a fun and shareholder of the company
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#3 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 8:22:16 AM
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uchumi wrote:
seaboard corporation has given an offer of kshs 40.00.i think its quite low compared to the assets they have.what is your take on the takeover.its in today nation page 17


Offer should be in the region of 50bob
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#4 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 8:36:41 AM
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Daylight robbery is you ask me. NAV is around 49.50. Prime property assets not revalued. Sitting on 1.7 bn cash at last set of results. 19.5bn turnover, and you Seaboard are offering just under 3bn.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:28:08 AM
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Where are the papers I sign now now? Riding this one from 10-40 plus the njaanuary dividends has been one hell of a profitable ride.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:15:06 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
They already own 50% of the company and have management control.
@vvs what's your take on this since you are a fun and shareholder of the company

Too low.

1) The NAV as of 30 June 2017 was 49.26 [20% higher than the Offer Price]
2) The management indicated that 1H 2017-18 was going to be good based on increased maize supply via subsidized maize.
3) Ennsvalley and Nakumatt losses were written off in 2016-17 so the book is clean(er).
4) A new wheat plant has been installed in Nairobi and is working at full capacity.
5) A new wheat mill will be installed in Eldoret to meet demand.
6) New silos erected in Eldoret which allows for longer, better and increased storage to take advantage of low prices for grain.

Seaboard owns 35% of Unga Holdings Ltd (not Unga Group PLC).
UGL owns 65% of UHL + other assets e.g. land on Ngong Road.

IMHO, the Fair Value is 60+ but the minimum offer should be 50+
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#7 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:35:14 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
They already own 50% of the company and have management control.
@vvs what's your take on this since you are a fun and shareholder of the company

Too low.

1) The NAV as of 30 June 2017 was 49.26 [20% higher than the Offer Price]
2) The management indicated that 1H 2017-18 was going to be good based on increased maize supply via subsidized maize.
3) Ennsvalley and Nakumatt losses were written off in 2016-17 so the book is clean(er).
4) A new wheat plant has been installed in Nairobi and is working at full capacity.
5) A new wheat mill will be installed in Eldoret to meet demand.
6) New silos erected in Eldoret which allows for longer, better and increased storage to take advantage of low prices for grain.

Seaboard owns 35% of Unga Holdings Ltd (not Unga Group PLC).
UGL owns 65% of UHL + other assets e.g. land on Ngong Road.

IMHO, the Fair Value is 60+ but the minimum offer should be 50+



Seaboard of Delaware owns a 2.92% in Unga Group and Victus (a company related to Seaboard) owns 50.93% of the Kenyan listed company.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:43:11 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
They already own 50% of the company and have management control.
@vvs what's your take on this since you are a fun and shareholder of the company

Too low.

1) The NAV as of 30 June 2017 was 49.26 [20% higher than the Offer Price]
2) The management indicated that 1H 2017-18 was going to be good based on increased maize supply via subsidized maize.
3) Ennsvalley and Nakumatt losses were written off in 2016-17 so the book is clean(er).
4) A new wheat plant has been installed in Nairobi and is working at full capacity.
5) A new wheat mill will be installed in Eldoret to meet demand.
6) New silos erected in Eldoret which allows for longer, better and increased storage to take advantage of low prices for grain.

Seaboard owns 35% of Unga Holdings Ltd (not Unga Group PLC).
UGL owns 65% of UHL + other assets e.g. land on Ngong Road.

IMHO, the Fair Value is 60+ but the minimum offer should be 50+



Seaboard of Delaware owns a 2.92% in Unga Group and Victus (a company related to Seaboard) owns 50.93% of the Kenyan listed company.

Yes. Victus owns 50.93% of UGL (now known as UGPlc)...
I wonder if the Ndegwas are getting a different deal from the rest of us.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:55:50 PM
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what is the impact to the current individual shareholders if Seaboard and Victus delist Unga????
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#10 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:58:24 PM
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Sir invest wrote:
what is the impact to the current individual shareholders if Seaboard and Victus delist Unga????


You get paid your shares @40 bob, accept and move on. Those who have tried to resist selling (except for Centum vs Rea Vipingo) has NEVER succeeded. They have always been paid off at the declared price!!!
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#11 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 5:58:40 PM
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Who is behind Victus?
Who is the chairman of the CMA?

Sigh, this will be a tough fight for Minority Shareholders to be treated fairly.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:03:31 PM
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CMA should lift suspension of trading in this counter after say two working days (i.e. from Monday 12th February 2018) and allow for price discovery in the market...my two cents
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#13 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:59:25 PM
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#14 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 7:14:24 PM
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Elephant Man wrote:
CMA should lift suspension of trading in this counter after say two working days (i.e. from Monday 12th February 2018) and allow for price discovery in the market...my two cents


Your two cents can be taken seriously were it not quoted in Iranian Rial
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#15 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 8:05:17 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Elephant Man wrote:
CMA should lift suspension of trading in this counter after say two working days (i.e. from Monday 12th February 2018) and allow for price discovery in the market...my two cents


Your two cents can be taken seriously were it not quoted in Iranian Rial

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#16 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:46:02 PM
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Monkeys are all that will be left in NSE after all the investable companies delist
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#17 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:55:58 PM
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kawi254 wrote:
Monkeys are all that will be left in NSE after all the investable companies delist

You'll have no better choice than pump and dump the monkeys.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:57:19 PM
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kawi254 wrote:
Monkeys are all that will be left in NSE after all the investable companies delist

You'll have no better choice than pump and dump the monkeys.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:10:53 PM
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kawi254 wrote:
Monkeys are all that will be left in NSE after all the investable companies delist




There will always be good companies to invest in NSE.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:02:08 PM
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Elephant Man wrote:
CMA should lift suspension of trading in this counter after say two working days (i.e. from Monday 12th February 2018) and allow for price discovery in the market...my two cents

That makes sense. After all we know the offer by Seaboard is 40/- and if someone wants to offer more then let them do so...
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