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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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10 bob has printed Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Fyatu wrote:10 bob has printed I hope the firm survives. I have no ARM shares but I like competition that helps keep prices in check. Going in huge into TZ, using debt, turned out to be disastrous to ARM. Except for DTB, does any other listed KE firm make a decent ROI in TZ? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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VituVingiSana wrote:Fyatu wrote:10 bob has printed I hope the firm survives. I have no ARM shares but I like competition that helps keep prices in check. Going in huge into TZ, using debt, turned out to be disastrous to ARM. Except for DTB, does any other listed KE firm make a decent ROI in TZ? Probably East Africa Cables.... There was talk that the firm(ARM) will increase number of shares to sell to a new investor in a bid to improve the balance sheet. Has this materialized? Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Fyatu wrote:10 bob has printed Testing supply at the zone where the bounce happened. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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After the death of the father,the Paunrana sons mismanaged the company to its death bed. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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Ericsson wrote:After the death of the father,the Paunrana sons mismanaged the company to its death bed. They got some good cash injection from a UK firm in exchange for equity stake.The latest results doesnt point to a good outlook.So what could be the problem here? Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:After the death of the father,the Paunrana sons mismanaged the company to its death bed. Not true. It’s only Pradeep (not sons he is the only one the rest are sisters who were married) who actually built the company. Word has it that He used to borrow his cousins canter to transport limestone when he came back from the US. ARM may have bitten off more than they could chew but I am confident they will bounce back at some point.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Horton wrote:Ericsson wrote:After the death of the father,the Paunrana sons mismanaged the company to its death bed. Not true. It’s only Pradeep (not sons he is the only one the rest are sisters who were married) who actually built the company. Word has it that He used to borrow his cousins canter to transport limestone when he came back from the US. ARM may have bitten off more than they could chew but I am confident they will bounce back at some point. ARM went into a price war with established players and came out worse. They got angel investors to bail them out. If the angel investors stick around abit longer ARM will be n bigger than Bamburi. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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sparkly wrote:Horton wrote:Ericsson wrote:After the death of the father,the Paunrana sons mismanaged the company to its death bed. Not true. It’s only Pradeep (not sons he is the only one the rest are sisters who were married) who actually built the company. Word has it that He used to borrow his cousins canter to transport limestone when he came back from the US. ARM may have bitten off more than they could chew but I am confident they will bounce back at some point. ARM went into a price war with established players and came out worse. They got angel investors to bail them out. If the angel investors stick around abit longer ARM will be n bigger than Bamburi. Demise of ARM was caused by Mombasa Cement. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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sparkly wrote:Horton wrote:Ericsson wrote:After the death of the father,the Paunrana sons mismanaged the company to its death bed. Not true. It’s only Pradeep (not sons he is the only one the rest are sisters who were married) who actually built the company. Word has it that He used to borrow his cousins canter to transport limestone when he came back from the US. ARM may have bitten off more than they could chew but I am confident they will bounce back at some point. ARM went into a price war with established players and came out worse. They got angel investors to bail them out. If the angel investors stick around abit longer ARM will be n bigger than Bamburi. The UK firm might grow weary of losses.Recently they sold their fertilizer manufacturing unit(mavuno).Then they are really having it tough in Tanzania.They are disposing some assets their in oder to repay debts. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127
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hisah wrote:Fyatu wrote:10 bob has printed Testing supply at the zone where the bounce happened. Jeez! This has been one epic capitulation. The bear might not be through with this one either as there is a very probable overshoot to 2005 price levels to bottom out the correction. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:Horton wrote:Ericsson wrote:After the death of the father,the Paunrana sons mismanaged the company to its death bed. Not true. It’s only Pradeep (not sons he is the only one the rest are sisters who were married) who actually built the company. Word has it that He used to borrow his cousins canter to transport limestone when he came back from the US. ARM may have bitten off more than they could chew but I am confident they will bounce back at some point. ARM went into a price war with established players and came out worse. They got angel investors to bail them out. If the angel investors stick around abit longer ARM will be n bigger than Bamburi. Demise of ARM was caused by Mombasa Cement. Iam tempted to concur with you. The Rhino cement brand is nowhere to be seen. Hardware stores are no longer painted with Rhino colours. Most are branded Bamburi. In areas of Kitengela, Athi river, Machakos the cement of choice is Simba. When you go to Kiambu and most parts of Nairobi, the fundis are using blue triangle. Mo-shaina(chinese) are using Savanna and Bamburi for those flyovers. I have witnessed a 12 floor building in Mombasa being built using Mombasa cement(beams, shutter and all). Huko Lamu port the cement is powercrete 52.5 and probably Rhino 52.5(i have never seen a ready mix lorry branded ARM). I am told huko Western and North rift there is a new cement brand known as RAI.However, looking at the cement consumption data in the whole world, Kenya and other East African countries are still on the lower percentile of cement consumption meaning there are still great opportunities. Thats why Dangote is still very interested the Kenyan market. ....kwa hayo yote. There is still hope for ARM Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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hisah wrote:Fyatu wrote:10 bob has printed Testing supply at the zone where the bounce happened. Positive supply test.$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Just read somewhere that Dangote has licences for 2 cement factories one near Mombasa and one near nairobi. Should be fun times for listed cement cos.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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Horton wrote:Just read somewhere that Dangote has licences for 2 cement factories one near Mombasa and one near nairobi. Should be fun times for listed cement cos. It will be hard.ARM and EAPC are in losses.Bamburi is facing volatility.If Dangote lists in NSE,it will give us more options. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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Horton wrote:Just read somewhere that Dangote has licences for 2 cement factories one near Mombasa and one near nairobi. Should be fun times for listed cement cos. It will be hard.ARM and EAPC are in losses.Bamburi is facing volatility.If Dangote lists in NSE,it will give us more options. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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Ebenyo wrote:Horton wrote:Just read somewhere that Dangote has licences for 2 cement factories one near Mombasa and one near nairobi. Should be fun times for listed cement cos. It will be hard.ARM and EAPC are in losses.Bamburi is facing volatility.If Dangote lists in NSE,it will give us more options. Demand is not growing so for dangote to succeed one company must go under Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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Ebenyo wrote:Horton wrote:Just read somewhere that Dangote has licences for 2 cement factories one near Mombasa and one near nairobi. Should be fun times for listed cement cos. It will be hard.ARM and EAPC are in losses.Bamburi is facing volatility.If Dangote lists in NSE,it will give us more options. Dangote is interested in acquiring one of the Cement manufacturers most probable candidate being ARM. EAPC, Bamburi with a 42% stake has the first right and they have been interested in taking majority stake. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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Rating agency places ARM under ‘watch’Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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