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Kikuyu dowry rules
2012
#61 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 6:41:48 PM
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Sansa wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
Sansa wrote:
Let me revive this old topic.

Since kikuyu dowry is never fully paid-off, what ceremonies are involved when you go back for another ruracio?

What do you mean another ruracio? Don't people only racia once? The rest have different names.

He is not Kikuyu, that is why he is asking... I think the wife-to-be is Kikuyu... So the brother is clueless about the terminologies...


I am a she and I am mugikuyu. I have been made to understand that dowry is a lifetime thing hence the question. If those other ceremonies are not called "ruracio" what are they called and what is involved?


First is the visit where the boy and his friends go to declare that they have seen 'something' they like in the home. They are then given a date to come with wazees.

Second they go to racia although in days past they used to go and 'handa ithigi' before the kuracia day. Nowadays it's done together unless the girl is pregnant then they must go and handa. In kuracia, the dowry is set and part paid then they are allowed to announce a wedding date.

Thirdly the girls side visits the boys to see the itaara. If acceptable to the girls side then the wedding is given.

Now you are not expected to pay the entire dowry because if you clear then you might never visit your the in-laws that's why they say that you should never complete even if you are wealthy.

BBI will solve it
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Sansa
#62 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 6:52:51 PM
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2012 wrote:
Sansa wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
Sansa wrote:
Let me revive this old topic.

Since kikuyu dowry is never fully paid-off, what ceremonies are involved when you go back for another ruracio?

What do you mean another ruracio? Don't people only racia once? The rest have different names.

He is not Kikuyu, that is why he is asking... I think the wife-to-be is Kikuyu... So the brother is clueless about the terminologies...


I am a she and I am mugikuyu. I have been made to understand that dowry is a lifetime thing hence the question. If those other ceremonies are not called "ruracio" what are they called and what is involved?


First is the visit where the boy and his friends go to declare that they have seen 'something' they like in the home. They are then given a date to come with wazees.

Second they go to racia although in days past they used to go and 'handa ithigi' before the kuracia day. Nowadays it's done together unless the girl is pregnant then they must go and handa. In kuracia, the dowry is set and part paid then they are allowed to announce a wedding date.

Thirdly the girls side visits the boys to see the itaara. If acceptable to the girls side then the wedding is given.

Now you are not expected to pay the entire dowry because if you clear then you might never visit your the in-laws that's why they say that you should never complete even if you are wealthy.


I meant after all the above is done and the couple are married what next. Since dowry is a lifetime thing, do you just pop-in at your in-laws when you feel like it to give more dowry or is there a process to be followed?
Thitifini
#63 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:44:00 PM
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Sansa wrote:
2012 wrote:
Sansa wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
Sansa wrote:
Let me revive this old topic.

Since kikuyu dowry is never fully paid-off, what ceremonies are involved when you go back for another ruracio?

What do you mean another ruracio? Don't people only racia once? The rest have different names.

He is not Kikuyu, that is why he is asking... I think the wife-to-be is Kikuyu... So the brother is clueless about the terminologies...


I am a she and I am mugikuyu. I have been made to understand that dowry is a lifetime thing hence the question. If those other ceremonies are not called "ruracio" what are they called and what is involved?


First is the visit where the boy and his friends go to declare that they have seen 'something' they like in the home. They are then given a date to come with wazees.

Second they go to racia although in days past they used to go and 'handa ithigi' before the kuracia day. Nowadays it's done together unless the girl is pregnant then they must go and handa. In kuracia, the dowry is set and part paid then they are allowed to announce a wedding date.

Thirdly the girls side visits the boys to see the itaara. If acceptable to the girls side then the wedding is given.

Now you are not expected to pay the entire dowry because if you clear then you might never visit your the in-laws that's why they say that you should never complete even if you are wealthy.


I meant after all the above is done and the couple are married what next. Since dowry is a lifetime thing, do you just pop-in at your in-laws when you feel like it to give more dowry or is there a process to be followed?


@sansa, some info is better served by a kamzee under the influencesmile

I'm quite young to give such advice, but basically after the custom marriage (mwatì na harika stage), you open a "kìara" where you be depositing the bride price every so often.

Culmination ya hii process ni uzeeni with a ceremony called "gùtinia kìande".

Please don't just pop in to your inlaws to give them cash and think it's bride price. There are some 1 or 2 things to take into consideration.

As said again, tafuta some knowledgeable kamzae and wet his throat thoroughly.smile

Then English; dowry is what the inlaws give to the groom, not vice versa (but a practiced custom in Kikuyus-including "kuona itara"). Wacheni kuconfuse watuShame on you

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Impunity
#64 Posted : Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:08:32 AM
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madhaquer
#65 Posted : Thursday, February 01, 2018 1:49:24 AM
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After kuracia is ngurario.
This is the actual marriage ceremony of the kikuyu and it involved the husband cutting off the front limb of a lamb and giving it to the wife... (hiyo ndio gutinia kiande)... it signifies alot of stuff but I would put it at a similar point to the marriage vows in a Christian Wedding.

This issue of dowry never ends in the literal sense is meant to encourage the husband to maintain a connection the family of his wife so that he and his family will be henceforth invited whenever there is an occasion (wedding, funeral, etc.. ). It also signifies that he is actually expected to contribute positively to the well being of the in-laws.

Strictly speaking, sio deni.

But one of my uncles had made it a habit to contribute a goat every December to my grand pa (on my mother's side), I had a conversation about it with my old man and he clarified that it could be any gift even just a bag of groceries once in a while, just don't feel obligated.
2012
#66 Posted : Thursday, February 01, 2018 12:48:52 PM
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Impunity wrote:
These people aki.


Boss, marry an Indian. They do the reverse.

BBI will solve it
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sitaki.kujulikana
#67 Posted : Thursday, February 01, 2018 1:55:02 PM
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madhaquer wrote:
After kuracia is ngurario.
This is the actual marriage ceremony of the kikuyu and it involved the husband cutting off the front limb of a lamb and giving it to the wife... (hiyo ndio gutinia kiande)... it signifies alot of stuff but I would put it at a similar point to the marriage vows in a Christian Wedding.

This issue of dowry never ends in the literal sense is meant to encourage the husband to maintain a connection the family of his wife so that he and his family will be henceforth invited whenever there is an occasion (wedding, funeral, etc.. ). It also signifies that he is actually expected to contribute positively to the well being of the in-laws.

Strictly speaking, sio deni.

But one of my uncles had made it a habit to contribute a goat every December to my grand pa (on my mother's side), I had a conversation about it with my old man and he clarified that it could be any gift even just a bag of groceries once in a while, just don't feel obligated.

you seem to have a fine grasp of the issue, can you clarify on this 'kirugu' thing mentioned above.
alma1
#68 Posted : Thursday, February 01, 2018 1:57:52 PM
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i once had a conversation with a few mzees about this kikuyu tradition things.

They told me about a lot of traditions that they decided to get rid of. Very many. As someone said, talk to an old mzee and you will understand what tikiteta means.

So I asked, nicely.

So you got rid of tradition a, and tradition b, and c and d.

So why keep this nonsense of paying parents money to eat for the so called right to marry.

They said, it's god's way. I asked them why this god of theirs only deals with such matters with a group of 10 million humans. But has not seen the need to ask for bloody goats for the rest of the 5 billion.

Wah!

I was told things like, if you don't do it. You'll be cursed.

By whom I asked. After all, that same god of yours told you to circumscise your women and I see none of you cursed. Even worse, your men are taken to Aga Khan instead of the river. Why haven't I seen you drop down dead?

Boss, nilitukanwa. About the need of following "our" traditions. I had to remind them again that they had just told me that there are traditions they don't follow.

Paying for a woman is simple slavery. And a way for parents to make money off their children. It is not a tradition. Just a money milking scheme. It is that simple and clear. That is why parents conveniently decide to ignore all other traditions but keep this one. Because that's how they make their money.
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Swenani
#69 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 2:10:29 PM
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kenmac wrote:
kenmac wrote:
@ali, thanks. please give details of what happens during stages you have mentioned.


Am on the hot seat, and next Saturday is crucifix.




How time flies.

We are at five years now....



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Stealing kidney to cover for unpaid dowry

I hope you cleared dowry lest your kidney is stolen

[quoteLocal media report that the West Bengal woman's husband arranged an appendicitis surgery when she was suffering stomach pain two year ago.

Late in 2017, two separate medical examinations revealed she was in fact missing one of her kidneys.

She alleges that her husband had frequently made demands for a dowry.

The payment of dowries - traditionally paid from a bride's family to a husband's - has been banned in India since 1961.][/quote]

Quote:
"My husband took me to a private nursing home in Kolkata, where he and the medical staff told me that I would be fine after removing my inflamed appendix through surgery," the Hindustan Times quoted her as saying.

"My husband warned me not to disclose the surgery in Kolkata to anyone."

Months later, she was feeling unwell and taken to a doctor by members of her family. Scans then revealed her right kidney was missing, she said. A second medical exam confirmed the diagnosis.

"I then understood why my husband implored me to keep quiet about the surgery," she told the Hindustan Times.

"He sold my kidney because my family couldn't meet his demand for dowry."

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masukuma
#70 Posted : Thursday, February 08, 2018 2:23:50 PM
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Swenani wrote:
kenmac wrote:
kenmac wrote:
@ali, thanks. please give details of what happens during stages you have mentioned.


Am on the hot seat, and next Saturday is crucifix.




How time flies.

We are at five years now....



Should share with mama watoto aone ile mambo huwa tunapitia.Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Stealing kidney to cover for unpaid dowry

I hope you cleared dowry lest your kidney is stolen

Quote:
Local media report that the West Bengal woman's husband arranged an appendicitis surgery when she was suffering stomach pain two year ago.

Late in 2017, two separate medical examinations revealed she was in fact missing one of her kidneys.

She alleges that her husband had frequently made demands for a dowry.

The payment of dowries - traditionally paid from a bride's family to a husband's - has been banned in India since 1961.]


Quote:
"My husband took me to a private nursing home in Kolkata, where he and the medical staff told me that I would be fine after removing my inflamed appendix through surgery," the Hindustan Times quoted her as saying.

"My husband warned me not to disclose the surgery in Kolkata to anyone."

Months later, she was feeling unwell and taken to a doctor by members of her family. Scans then revealed her right kidney was missing, she said. A second medical exam confirmed the diagnosis.

"I then understood why my husband implored me to keep quiet about the surgery," she told the Hindustan Times.

"He sold my kidney because my family couldn't meet his demand for dowry."



Yes... DOWRY!! such a pain in India!! All those indian girls should find their way here and their parents will be ravished with gifts. you know a gift is sweetest when it's unexpected!
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