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Ms Mkenya wrote:@Guka, what happens when a guy wants to marry after divorce from the first wife? Is it different for a lady? Ms Kenya,what are you trying to tell us? I hope Mukiri won't see this If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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Ms Mkenya wrote:@Guka, what happens when a guy wants to marry after divorce from the first wife? Is it different for a lady? Traditional Kikuyu Divorce I believe entails a return of part of the dowry earlier paid. The man/man's family is paid back. Part of it is retained as penalty-Wazees decide And the Wife has to be physically delivered back to her parents by senior women/elders from the Husbands family with a detailed explanation as to why their girl can no longer make a wife to their son. Then each is free to remarry..and the lady will still be paid for dowry by the new man And the Guy will pay dowry for the new wife This is easier when the couple is young...but it can still be done even in old age.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/8/2009 Posts: 975 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:YoungMulla wrote:Motomoto wrote:kenmac wrote:I have searched the internet for comprehensive information regarding kikuyu dowry rules, and the web is getting smaller because the websites have just copy pasted from each other.
I need to know; Suppose a man did not pay dowry for his wife. In this scenario, it is against the customs and traditions for the man to receive dowry when one of his daughters is getting married. What does the culture say about a son marrying. Can the son give dowry to his fiance's family, or must the dad clear with the grandparents?
I need the help from wazua kikuyu elders. If you do not follow some of these traditional practices, they will come to haunt you later on. Culture is very important in as much as we have become westernized.. How true are these generational curses. Anyone have an example??? Mawinder is a good example  Has Mawinder seen this? You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Ms Mkenya wrote:@Guka, what happens when a guy wants to marry after divorce from the first wife? Is it different for a lady? Depends with the reason of divorce.If the woman was at fault,she would be taken back to her parents by WAZEES upon which the family would refund dowry.If there were children involved,they would remain with the man.A new suitor to the lady would pay dowry to the first man where dowry had not been surrendered Where a man was at fault,he would forfeit dowry,the woman would still be taken back by wazees and the man would forfeit both the dowry and children. ....BUT,there is a ceremony called "gwatura kiande".Once performed,this marks a point of no return.You can separate but you cannot divorce....and this is why you hear some men say of their wives,"Uyu ni wakwa matu na hia" (This one is mine ears and horns)  ....I hope this helps. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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XSK wrote:Swenani wrote:YoungMulla wrote:Motomoto wrote:kenmac wrote:I have searched the internet for comprehensive information regarding kikuyu dowry rules, and the web is getting smaller because the websites have just copy pasted from each other.
I need to know; Suppose a man did not pay dowry for his wife. In this scenario, it is against the customs and traditions for the man to receive dowry when one of his daughters is getting married. What does the culture say about a son marrying. Can the son give dowry to his fiance's family, or must the dad clear with the grandparents?
I need the help from wazua kikuyu elders. If you do not follow some of these traditional practices, they will come to haunt you later on. Culture is very important in as much as we have become westernized.. How true are these generational curses. Anyone have an example??? Mawinder is a good example Has Mawinder seen this? How do you associate me with this community??? In our culture we dont have such bullshit!!!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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mawinder wrote:XSK wrote:[quote=Swenani][quote=YoungMulla][quote=Motomoto][quote=kenmac] Has Mawinder seen this? How do you associate me with this community??? In our culture we dont have such bullsh*t!!!!!! It's because you don't have bulls! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/13/2010 Posts: 869 Location: Nairobi
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Njung'e wrote:Ms Mkenya wrote:@Guka, what happens when a guy wants to marry after divorce from the first wife? Is it different for a lady? Depends with the reason of divorce.If the woman was at fault,she would be taken back to her parents by WAZEES upon which the family would refund dowry.If there were children involved,they would remain with the man.A new suitor to the lady would pay dowry to the first man where dowry had not been surrendered Where a man was at fault,he would forfeit dowry,the woman would still be taken back by wazees and the man would forfeit both the dowry and children. ....BUT,there is a ceremony called "gwatura kiande".Once performed,this marks a point of no return.You can separate but you cannot divorce....and this is why you hear some men say of their wives,"Uyu ni wakwa matu na hia" (This one is mine ears and horns) ....I hope this helps. Thanks for the info. Interesting after all the ceremonies that take place before marriage. And even more interesting that a guy forfeits his dowry but has to pay again if he remarries. What if he was not at fault? As for us ladies it appears we are just a transaction! ....above all, to stand.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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mawinder wrote:XSK wrote:Swenani wrote:YoungMulla wrote:Motomoto wrote:kenmac wrote:I have searched the internet for comprehensive information regarding kikuyu dowry rules, and the web is getting smaller because the websites have just copy pasted from each other.
I need to know; Suppose a man did not pay dowry for his wife. In this scenario, it is against the customs and traditions for the man to receive dowry when one of his daughters is getting married. What does the culture say about a son marrying. Can the son give dowry to his fiance's family, or must the dad clear with the grandparents?
I need the help from wazua kikuyu elders. If you do not follow some of these traditional practices, they will come to haunt you later on. Culture is very important in as much as we have become westernized.. How true are these generational curses. Anyone have an example??? Mawinder is a good example Has Mawinder seen this? How do you associate me with this community???In our culture we dont have such bullshit!!!!!! They meant you are a cursed one!!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/22/2011 Posts: 561 Location: House
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Iganamagana wrote:mawinder wrote:XSK wrote:Swenani wrote:YoungMulla wrote:Motomoto wrote:kenmac wrote:I have searched the internet for comprehensive information regarding kikuyu dowry rules, and the web is getting smaller because the websites have just copy pasted from each other.
I need to know; Suppose a man did not pay dowry for his wife. In this scenario, it is against the customs and traditions for the man to receive dowry when one of his daughters is getting married. What does the culture say about a son marrying. Can the son give dowry to his fiance's family, or must the dad clear with the grandparents?
I need the help from wazua kikuyu elders. If you do not follow some of these traditional practices, they will come to haunt you later on. Culture is very important in as much as we have become westernized.. How true are these generational curses. Anyone have an example??? Mawinder is a good example Has Mawinder seen this? How do you associate me with this community???In our culture we dont have such bullshit!!!!!! They meant you are a cursed one!!! him an @Alpha COULD be 'anti-nyita'
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 344
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Let me revive this old topic.
Since kikuyu dowry is never fully paid-off, what ceremonies are involved when you go back for another ruracio?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Ngogoyo wrote:Iganamagana wrote:mawinder wrote:XSK wrote:Swenani wrote:YoungMulla wrote:Motomoto wrote:kenmac wrote:I have searched the internet for comprehensive information regarding kikuyu dowry rules, and the web is getting smaller because the websites have just copy pasted from each other.
I need to know; Suppose a man did not pay dowry for his wife. In this scenario, it is against the customs and traditions for the man to receive dowry when one of his daughters is getting married. What does the culture say about a son marrying. Can the son give dowry to his fiance's family, or must the dad clear with the grandparents?
I need the help from wazua kikuyu elders. If you do not follow some of these traditional practices, they will come to haunt you later on. Culture is very important in as much as we have become westernized.. How true are these generational curses. Anyone have an example??? Mawinder is a good example Has Mawinder seen this? How do you associate me with this community???In our culture we dont have such bullshit!!!!!! They meant you are a cursed one!!! him an @Alpha COULD be 'anti-nyita' @ngogoyo, everybody carries their own curses.crosses... Curses are not transferable. If @mawinder paid two goats and pot of honey... And if @Iganamagana was asked to pay 2 mirrion and he failed to pay... then the curse will be his own! Be educated regarding differentiating dowry from so-called bride-price... Every culture na mambo yao. quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
But you can't buy and sell a wife or husband.
Apparently you can. Ama what do you think dowry is? In India, the girl's family pays the dowry for the man, completing the use case that a man can also be bought Teremka hapa Kiambu ama Murang'a usikie of brides whose families ask for a million. Its commercial. Its all commercial...(even life, which is assigned the monetary sum of your life insurance policy  ) You can also sell your wife/husband... or more commonly discard him/her. It is called separation,...or divorce.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 1,793
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kenmac wrote:@ali, thanks. please give details of what happens during stages you have mentioned.
Am on the hot seat, and next Saturday is crucifix.
How time flies. We are at five years now.... Should share with mama watoto aone ile mambo huwa tunapitia.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/23/2007 Posts: 604
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Rule 1- If the lady is not circumcised you don't have to pay anything.
Marrying her is doing the family a big favour.
#Please remind them that. It is a long forgotten rule on marrying a 'kirugu'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Sansa wrote:Let me revive this old topic.
Since kikuyu dowry is never fully paid-off, what ceremonies are involved when you go back for another ruracio? What do you mean another ruracio? Don't people only racia once? The rest have different names.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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2012 wrote:Sansa wrote:Let me revive this old topic.
Since kikuyu dowry is never fully paid-off, what ceremonies are involved when you go back for another ruracio? What do you mean another ruracio? Don't people only racia once? The rest have different names. He is not Kikuyu, that is why he is asking... I think the wife-to-be is Kikuyu... So the brother is clueless about the terminologies...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Coolbull wrote:
Rule 1- If the lady is not circumcised you don't have to pay anything.
Marrying her is doing the family a big favour.
#Please remind them that. It is a long forgotten rule on marrying a 'kirugu'.
can submitted payment be refunded
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 344
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AlphDoti wrote:2012 wrote:Sansa wrote:Let me revive this old topic.
Since kikuyu dowry is never fully paid-off, what ceremonies are involved when you go back for another ruracio? What do you mean another ruracio? Don't people only racia once? The rest have different names. He is not Kikuyu, that is why he is asking... I think the wife-to-be is Kikuyu... So the brother is clueless about the terminologies... I am a she and I am mugikuyu. I have been made to understand that dowry is a lifetime thing hence the question. If those other ceremonies are not called "ruracio" what are they called and what is involved?
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/23/2007 Posts: 604
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Coolbull wrote:
Rule 1- If the lady is not circumcised you don't have to pay anything.
Marrying her is doing the family a big favour.
#Please remind them that. It is a long forgotten rule on marrying a 'kirigu'.
can submitted payment be refunded Yes it should. A 'kirigu' is offered free. In fact the family should give you kakitu for accepting to marry their uncircumcised daughter.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/6/2013 Posts: 640
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Coolbull wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Coolbull wrote:
Rule 1- If the lady is not circumcised you don't have to pay anything.
Marrying her is doing the family a big favour.
#Please remind them that. It is a long forgotten rule on marrying a 'kirigu'.
can submitted payment be refunded Yes it should. A 'kirigu' is offered free. In fact the family should give you kakitu for accepting to marry their uncircumcised daughter. Damn, that's harsh. Its all good.
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