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Treasury Bills and Bonds
MugundaMan
#831 Posted : Thursday, January 18, 2018 6:58:46 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:



12.5% pa for 15 years, this Njoroge is not serious smile


Angelica_Ann,
Why do you say so? Seems like a pretty decent deal for bond investors to me.
AndyC
#832 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2018 8:42:07 AM
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Broke or not the government is clearly not interested in expensive money. They offer 40B receive bids of 55.7B and cherry pick 5B . The institutions must have demanded a higher interest rate. Maybe loaning to Shiku at 14% ain't so bad!
Dahatre
#833 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:01:34 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
Finally got my Kid bro to save up and try treasuries. He put in his bid on Monday.

One of the guys at the counter told him that he could not specify rollover on the bid form. He was told that to go one week before the maturity date and do the rollover or send and email message instructing the bank to rollover the note.

Is this true? If so, why do they have the rollover option on the bid form?


Because CBK is CBK Drool
Remember these are the chaps who take 30-60 days to "verify" your bank account, give zero online access to your portfolio and sometimes mail you hard copies of statements etc as much as 6 months to a year or more late.


What would you do Mugundaman? go physically, email them or not bother?
Ericsson
#834 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:07:48 AM
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GOK has set a deficit of sh.639bn in FY2018/2019 compared to the sh.900bn in 2017/2018
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
lochaz-index
#835 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:17:46 AM
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AndyC wrote:
Broke or not the government is clearly not interested in expensive money. They offer 40B receive bids of 55.7B and cherry pick 5B . The institutions must have demanded a higher interest rate. Maybe loaning to Shiku at 14% ain't so bad!

GoK and CBK have rode their luck on this one. Don't think there is a lot of ammo left on their part. The market can sense a turning point in yields(it has for a while now) but the governor has been a stickler to the yield curve. The problem with this strategy is that it kneecaps the long end note yields and forces pressure on the short end leading to an inversion. The market always wins.

Globally, yields bottomed out in mid 2016, then a mild uptick has followed, next up is the wild ride. External borrowing is becoming pricier - my guess is that eurobond 2.0 will be a cropper - and KE is only attracting funds at distress prices as exemplified by the latest loan to offset the syndicated debt. To make matters worse, treasury is lagging behind on its local borrowing targets, ergo, borrowing has to speed up at some point especially if maturities bunch up and roll-over offers fall through. This is the show I am waiting for.

The mark to watch out for is when the 10yr note yield vaults past the 14% capping level.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
MugundaMan
#836 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:23:07 AM
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Dahatre wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
Finally got my Kid bro to save up and try treasuries. He put in his bid on Monday.

One of the guys at the counter told him that he could not specify rollover on the bid form. He was told that to go one week before the maturity date and do the rollover or send and email message instructing the bank to rollover the note.

Is this true? If so, why do they have the rollover option on the bid form?


Because CBK is CBK Drool
Remember these are the chaps who take 30-60 days to "verify" your bank account, give zero online access to your portfolio and sometimes mail you hard copies of statements etc as much as 6 months to a year or more late.


What would you do Mugundaman? go physically, email them or not bother?


Going physically is the best option. Emailing their primary issues dept (primaryissues@centralbank.go.ke) is the next best option. Not bothering is a terrible option IMHO. Good luck and happy investing!
wukan
#837 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:13:20 AM
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AndyC wrote:
Broke or not the government is clearly not interested in expensive money. They offer 40B receive bids of 55.7B and cherry pick 5B . The institutions must have demanded a higher interest rate. Maybe loaning to Shiku at 14% ain't so bad!


But Shiku snubbed the govt on the MAkiba bond. Shiku also prefers the instant but expensive mobile phone loans. 89% of the investors see the same thing with Shiku that govt is slay queen jeuri-maringo mingi tu!
AndyC
#838 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:30:23 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
Finally got my Kid bro to save up and try treasuries. He put in his bid on Monday.

One of the guys at the counter told him that he could not specify rollover on the bid form. He was told that to go one week before the maturity date and do the rollover or send and email message instructing the bank to rollover the note.

Is this true? If so, why do they have the rollover option on the bid form?


Because CBK is CBK Drool
Remember these are the chaps who take 30-60 days to "verify" your bank account, give zero online access to your portfolio and sometimes mail you hard copies of statements etc as much as 6 months to a year or more late.


What would you do Mugundaman? go physically, email them or not bother?


Going physically is the best option. Emailing their primary issues dept (primaryissues@centralbank.go.ke) is the next best option. Not bothering is a terrible option IMHO. Good luck and happy investing!

If he is a first time investor then there is nothing to roll over as he is bidding. The rollover, i guess, is for investments that are maturing and the investors would like to apply for a current bid with the maturing funds instead of being paid. If an investor wants to roll over funds that will be maturing 3/6/12 months at the time of bidding it makes sense to say come a week to that time. Stuff happensSad .
Liv
#839 Posted : Friday, January 26, 2018 10:35:07 PM
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AndyC wrote:
Broke or not the government is clearly not interested in expensive money. They offer 40B receive bids of 55.7B and cherry pick 5B . The institutions must have demanded a higher interest rate. Maybe loaning to Shiku at 14% ain't so bad!



Tap sale pap
gatoho
#840 Posted : Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:48:24 AM
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Liv wrote:
AndyC wrote:
Broke or not the government is clearly not interested in expensive money. They offer 40B receive bids of 55.7B and cherry pick 5B . The institutions must have demanded a higher interest rate. Maybe loaning to Shiku at 14% ain't so bad!



Tap sale pap

I thought tap happens when undersubscribed
Foresight..
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