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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:murchr wrote:@Fullykenyan, pole I hope all goes well for you.
The Kenyan problem is part leadership and part us as Kenyans.
Look at how we walk on pathways or drive, do you think the Ambulance would have been at your house in the same 5-8mins time? It would probably have been stuck in traffic because no one would want to give way.
The nurse/paramedic would probably not give the utmost best care because either, they dont love their job, they are not well equipped, or they dont know what to do
As a people we need to have some value of life Thanks alot. The tests for the boy all came negative.Thank God!!. However, they want to continue having him around, so that they can monitor him at least for not less than 48 hours they said. The reaction of the paramedics, the city´s emergency doctor and the children´s doctor left me in tears. The emergency doctor, later told me, that when it comes to a kid,they dont take any chances at all. The worst mistake you can make here, is to hinder an ambulance or an emergency doctor´s car. During emergency, it is like Uhuru´s motorcade on uhuru highway. For everything, i have to only pay 10 euros for it Thank God all is well. I have lived in a city where traffic paves way for a hearse taking a body either to be buried or to a morgue. We still have a long way to go in as far as. We will have to change our attitudes, but what would help most is the emergence of new cities - Tatus and all with their own management rules . Nope. To build a prosperous society, like the west has done, we should strive to improve services for everyone. Not enclosing a few privileged citizens in gated cities/communities, and providing them with 1st world services while the wananchi out there live in squalor. That was how apartheid was practiced in SA and we all know how it ended. true, I have never been to the west, but from the look of things they seem to be ready to share maendeleo and wealth with all, at the end of the day one gets to enjoy that maendeleo if the majority gets it. It does not make sense to live in a gated estate only to step out into squalor, garbage, filth, dust and crime.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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And what if the international system is skewed against 'us'?
Yes, one may mention a country or two which could be compared to Kenya at some time. But that doesn't tell us much because, these countries appear as exceptions. Otherwise the average is our lot.
No, I'm not blaming 'the system' I'm trying to state a rather obvious fact. We could even look at the transactions our countries have and key agreements and try to figure out who initiates most of these transactions and why.
Historically, Kenya has always been on the receiving end. So what would happen if we came with some ideas of our own to make a better life for all?
I don't know. Have we tried?
If I look at how the international economic system seems to be working, and especially when we note that the Military-Industry complex is a major force, you can't help but agree that there must be a defeated people somewhere.
The shit hole guys. It's like when you go to a cell and you find your space close to the bucket. The shit hole.
Can you see the cell? Can you see the shit hole? How will you find your way to the shit hole?
'Wanna put up a fight? Gooood!'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:murchr wrote:@Fullykenyan, pole I hope all goes well for you.
The Kenyan problem is part leadership and part us as Kenyans.
Look at how we walk on pathways or drive, do you think the Ambulance would have been at your house in the same 5-8mins time? It would probably have been stuck in traffic because no one would want to give way.
The nurse/paramedic would probably not give the utmost best care because either, they dont love their job, they are not well equipped, or they dont know what to do
As a people we need to have some value of life Thanks alot. The tests for the boy all came negative.Thank God!!. However, they want to continue having him around, so that they can monitor him at least for not less than 48 hours they said. The reaction of the paramedics, the city´s emergency doctor and the children´s doctor left me in tears. The emergency doctor, later told me, that when it comes to a kid,they dont take any chances at all. The worst mistake you can make here, is to hinder an ambulance or an emergency doctor´s car. During emergency, it is like Uhuru´s motorcade on uhuru highway. For everything, i have to only pay 10 euros for it Thank God all is well. I have lived in a city where traffic paves way for a hearse taking a body either to be buried or to a morgue. We still have a long way to go in as far as. We will have to change our attitudes, but what would help most is the emergence of new cities - Tatus and all with their own management rules . Nope. To build a prosperous society, like the west has done, we should strive to improve services for everyone. Not enclosing a few privileged citizens in gated cities/communities, and providing them with 1st world services while the wananchi out there live in squalor. That was how apartheid was practiced in SA and we all know how it ended. true, I have never been to the west, but from the look of things they seem to be ready to share maendeleo and wealth with all, at the end of the day one gets to enjoy that maendeleo if the majority gets it. It does not make sense to live in a gated estate only to step out into squalor, garbage, filth, dust and crime. Services for all sounds good but they begin from somewhere. For the system to change Satellite towns run independently must exist. If indeed hardwood you've been to the west then you should have spotted the satellite cities that exist out of the metropolitan large cities. By definition A satellite town is an urban entity that has developed as a separate metropolitan area near to, but largely independent of a larger city or metropolitan area. It is different than the suburbs which develop around the larger city (which are dependent upon that city) in that it will usually have its own separate governing system and it will have separate business and retail areas. These different governing systems when well run bring about a copycat effect hence improving services everywhere. @Baratang There's nothing great about the gov't being poor and the some citizens rich. That's exactly the mess were in. The gov't should be in a position to offer the very basic to its citizens. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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hardwood wrote:Mukiri wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:murchr wrote:@Fullykenyan, pole I hope all goes well for you.
The Kenyan problem is part leadership and part us as Kenyans.
Look at how we walk on pathways or drive, do you think the Ambulance would have been at your house in the same 5-8mins time? It would probably have been stuck in traffic because no one would want to give way.
The nurse/paramedic would probably not give the utmost best care because either, they dont love their job, they are not well equipped, or they dont know what to do
As a people we need to have some value of life Thanks alot. The tests for the boy all came negative.Thank God!!. However, they want to continue having him around, so that they can monitor him at least for not less than 48 hours they said. The reaction of the paramedics, the city´s emergency doctor and the children´s doctor left me in tears. The emergency doctor, later told me, that when it comes to a kid,they dont take any chances at all. The worst mistake you can make here, is to hinder an ambulance or an emergency doctor´s car. During emergency, it is like Uhuru´s motorcade on uhuru highway. For everything, i have to only pay 10 euros for it Thank God all is well. I have lived in a city where traffic paves way for a hearse taking a body either to be buried or to a morgue. We still have a long way to go in as far as. We will have to change our attitudes, but what would help most is the emergence of new cities - Tatus and all with their own management rules . Who should have the right of way....the dead or the living? I think the living should be given priority. Who's competing? Its not a case of either-or... both should be given right of passage My point was the dead are already dead, and if there is anyone the traffic should pave way for, it is the living who still have matters to take care of on planet earth. Pave way for both, and focus attention on much bigger problems.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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The west has not always been the way it is today. About 150yrs ago london was $hithole city battling cholera that killed about 20,000 people. And at the time no one knew what was killing people coz no one knew about the cholera bacteria and at that time everyone attributed the deaths to "miasma" <<RINK>> aka smell from sewerage and decomposing bodies (at least we africans were "more advanced" coz we attributed death to witchcraft). Also the flushing toilet had not been discovered and therefore people used to relieve themselves in outhouses aka pit latrines. And because there was only one toilet to 100 londoners, alot of people were using flying toilets i.e. throwing their waste into the streets. And also at the time londoners were using horses to get around since the motorvehicle or steam engine hadn't been discovered. And with thousands of "uber horses" and "horse matatus" shitting on the streets, london was an unbearable shithole, basically a town drowning in shit <<RINK>>. And there were slums everywhere. Also electricity only came to london in 1882. In the next post I will tell you how london solved the mess to become a world class city.   
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:The west has not always been the way it is today. About 150yrs ago london was $hithole city battling cholera that killed about 20,000 people. And at the time no one knew what was killing people coz no one knew about the cholera bacteria and at that time everyone attributed the deaths to "miasma" <<RINK>> aka smell from sewerage and decomposing bodies (at least we africans were "more advanced" coz we attributed death to witchcraft). Also the flushing toilet had not been discovered and therefore people used to relieve themselves in outhouses aka pit latrines. And because there was only one toilet to 100 londoners, alot of people were using flying toilets i.e. throwing their waste into the streets. And also at the time londoners were using horses to get around since the motorvehicle or steam engine hadn't been discovered. And with thousands of "uber horses" and "horse matatus" shitting on the streets, london was an unbearable shithole, basically a town drowning in shit <<RINK>>. And there were slums everywhere. In the next post I will tell you how london solved the mess to become a world class city. So now its Ok for Kenyans to live like Londoners 150years ago, live as if we dont know what cholera is or what causes it? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:The west has not always been the way it is today. About 150yrs ago london was $hithole city battling cholera that killed about 20,000 people. And at the time no one knew what was killing people coz no one knew about the cholera bacteria and at that time everyone attributed the deaths to "miasma" <<RINK>> aka smell from sewerage and decomposing bodies (at least we africans were "more advanced" coz we attributed death to witchcraft). Also the flushing toilet had not been discovered and therefore people used to relieve themselves in outhouses aka pit latrines. And because there was only one toilet to 100 londoners, alot of people were using flying toilets i.e. throwing their waste into the streets. And also at the time londoners were using horses to get around since the motorvehicle or steam engine hadn't been discovered. And with thousands of "uber horses" and "horse matatus" shitting on the streets, london was an unbearable shithole, basically a town drowning in shit <<RINK>>. And there were slums everywhere. In the next post I will tell you how london solved the mess to become a world class city. So now its Ok for Kenyans to live like Londoners 150years ago, live as if we dont know what cholera is or what causes it? My point is that the west was a $hithole not so long ago. And that we are lucky that we dont have to reinvent the wheel and we only have to "google" to sort nearly all of our problems.
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:The west has not always been the way it is today. About 150yrs ago london was $hithole city battling cholera that killed about 20,000 people. And at the time no one knew what was killing people coz no one knew about the cholera bacteria and at that time everyone attributed the deaths to "miasma" <<RINK>> aka smell from sewerage and decomposing bodies (at least we africans were "more advanced" coz we attributed death to witchcraft). Also the flushing toilet had not been discovered and therefore people used to relieve themselves in outhouses aka pit latrines. And because there was only one toilet to 100 londoners, alot of people were using flying toilets i.e. throwing their waste into the streets. And also at the time londoners were using horses to get around since the motorvehicle or steam engine hadn't been discovered. And with thousands of "uber horses" and "horse matatus" shitting on the streets, london was an unbearable shithole, basically a town drowning in shit <<RINK>>. And there were slums everywhere. In the next post I will tell you how london solved the mess to become a world class city. So now its Ok for Kenyans to live like Londoners 150years ago, live as if we dont know what cholera is or what causes it? My point is that the west was a $hithole not so long ago. And that we are lucky that we dont have to reinvent the wheel and we only have to "google" to sort nearly all of our problems. Isn't that what @Murchr and the rest are saying while some of you are justifying that the shit hole called Kenya should put up with these poor services just because we are 50 yrs old and we should follow both the growth and time trajectory of developed countries If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:The west has not always been the way it is today. About 150yrs ago london was $hithole city battling cholera that killed about 20,000 people. And at the time no one knew what was killing people coz no one knew about the cholera bacteria and at that time everyone attributed the deaths to "miasma" <<RINK>> aka smell from sewerage and decomposing bodies (at least we africans were "more advanced" coz we attributed death to witchcraft). Also the flushing toilet had not been discovered and therefore people used to relieve themselves in outhouses aka pit latrines. And because there was only one toilet to 100 londoners, alot of people were using flying toilets i.e. throwing their waste into the streets. And also at the time londoners were using horses to get around since the motorvehicle or steam engine hadn't been discovered. And with thousands of "uber horses" and "horse matatus" shitting on the streets, london was an unbearable shithole, basically a town drowning in shit <<RINK>>. And there were slums everywhere. In the next post I will tell you how london solved the mess to become a world class city. So now its Ok for Kenyans to live like Londoners 150years ago, live as if we dont know what cholera is or what causes it? My point is that the west was a $hithole not so long ago. And that we are lucky that we dont have to reinvent the wheel and we only have to "google" to sort nearly all of our problems. Isn't that what @Murchr and the rest are saying while some of you are justifying that the shit hole called Kenya should put up with these poor services just because we are 50 yrs old and we should follow both the growth and time trajectory of developed countries Jeeso. Where did i say that? You should stick to your lane, aka "samantha".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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I feel like i have to post something.The problem in Kenya will always be people being employed, paid and never do what they are paid to do. Starting from the top. Look at what Uhuru is doing, still not named ministers, he is still 'consulting' sijui tribal balancing. I would not even care if he named 20 Luos or Maasais as cabinet secs if they were all like Matiang'i.
The same applies to Mp's, MCA's,some doctors,your househelps and down to the local mwananchi.As for the doctors at KNH, they will treat people maybe depending on how much they will get from them.
A relative came visiting and one day at 6 in the morning he saw a municipal guy cleaning the street in the eastate and was like wow, i told him the guy was just doing his job.
I once went home and found my mum had given somekibarua to this guy and she said am the one to pay.I noticed the guy could come at 8 in the morning, take some tea and talks for sometime starts work at minutes pas 9 then extends the lunch break, i told her i cannot pay someone who works for less than 7 hrs a day. She said no the guy has a family to feed. I told her for me to make the money i would pay the guy with , i had to work for a 7 hr shift with a 15 minutes break. she changed the attitude since. We shall always complain as am doing and some will say we are sijui 150/50yrs behind whatever country. But anyway we are to blame.I saw guys doing demons in Mbsa coz of gabbage , i laughed coz several months ago they were singing Joho Joho.Lets leap what we have been sowing.
Jan 2018 and people are already talking about president for 2022.
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