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Kusadikika
#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:23:46 PM
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Do not be too hard on Kenya. We are where we are and in my opinion we are doing quite well. The thing people forget when they move from Kenya to western or other developed countries is that those countries have not always been as they are now. The institutions, cultures and wealth have taken decades and in some countries centuries to build. All you see is an ambulance that takes 7 minutes to get to your house. What you do not see is a well designed road and highway network, a wealthy society with laws that allow training of a skilled workforce that can survive doing one job a time, security etc. The service you enjoy is only the tip of an iceberg of cultural, political, technological advances that took a long time to build.

Anybody visiting the Western countries should first be struck at how young we are as a country. Kenya did not exist as a country or even a territory before the 1880s and then for 75 years was a colony... please note that we have been independent for a shorter time time than we were under British occupation. The constitutional debates we were having to the runup to 2010 were the kind of questions the US was having in the 1780s. You visit Universities in the US that were started in the 1700s and 1800s. These are agricultural, engineering and medical colleges and all that knowledge and workforce went to develop the places that people visit today and start abusing they mother country for being backward.

We have our problems, but we must work from where we are. Some things take time. Make sure your children are in a better place than you and you will have done your part.
murchr
#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:32:32 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Kusadikika wrote:
Do not be too hard on Kenya. We are where we are and in my opinion we are doing quite well. The thing people forget when they move from Kenya to western or other developed countries is that those countries have not always been as they are now. The institutions, cultures and wealth have taken decades and in some countries centuries to build. All you see is an ambulance that takes 7 minutes to get to your house. What you do not see is a well designed road and highway network, a wealthy society with laws that allow training of a skilled workforce that can survive doing one job a time, security etc. The service you enjoy is only the tip of an iceberg of cultural, political, technological advances that took a long time to build.

Anybody visiting the Western countries should first be struck at how young we are as a country. Kenya did not exist as a country or even a territory before the 1880s and then for 75 years was a colony... please note that we have been independent for a shorter time time than we were under British occupation. The constitutional debates we were having to the runup to 2010 were the kind of questions the US was having in the 1780s. You visit Universities in the US that were started in the 1700s and 1800s. These are agricultural, engineering and medical colleges and all that knowledge and workforce went to develop the places that people visit today and start abusing they mother country for being backward.

We have our problems, but we must work from where we are. Some things take time. Make sure your children are in a better place than you and you will have done your part.


This is the usual "back banner" excuse we give ourselves so as we can continue slacking.

Should we go the full life cycle of our predecessors so that we can evolve?

How old is Singapore? Botswana?

Thanks to technology we have case studies available for us to learn, but do we want to learn?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Kusadikika
#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:51:16 PM
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Joined: 7/22/2008
Posts: 2,723
murchr wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Do not be too hard on Kenya. We are where we are and in my opinion we are doing quite well. The thing people forget when they move from Kenya to western or other developed countries is that those countries have not always been as they are now. The institutions, cultures and wealth have taken decades and in some countries centuries to build. All you see is an ambulance that takes 7 minutes to get to your house. What you do not see is a well designed road and highway network, a wealthy society with laws that allow training of a skilled workforce that can survive doing one job a time, security etc. The service you enjoy is only the tip of an iceberg of cultural, political, technological advances that took a long time to build.

Anybody visiting the Western countries should first be struck at how young we are as a country. Kenya did not exist as a country or even a territory before the 1880s and then for 75 years was a colony... please note that we have been independent for a shorter time time than we were under British occupation. The constitutional debates we were having to the runup to 2010 were the kind of questions the US was having in the 1780s. You visit Universities in the US that were started in the 1700s and 1800s. These are agricultural, engineering and medical colleges and all that knowledge and workforce went to develop the places that people visit today and start abusing they mother country for being backward.

We have our problems, but we must work from where we are. Some things take time. Make sure your children are in a better place than you and you will have done your part.


This is the usual "back banner" excuse we give ourselves so as we can continue slacking.

Should we go the full life cycle of our predecessors so that we can evolve?

How old is Singapore? Botswana?

Thanks to technology we have case studies available for us to learn, but do we want to learn?


We are who we are and we are where we are. Not all explanations are excuses. I think this hardcore desire to "develop" actually does more harm to a country than good. People are taught to hate themselves just because they do not have some material advancements.

People in Kenya are not slackers, go to Marikiti or Gikomba or Burma or Kenyatta market and see. Visit Kibera and Korogocho and see people fending for themselves. Slacking is not why we are here or have what we have.
murchr
#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:03:32 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Kusadikika wrote:
murchr wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Do not be too hard on Kenya. We are where we are and in my opinion we are doing quite well. The thing people forget when they move from Kenya to western or other developed countries is that those countries have not always been as they are now. The institutions, cultures and wealth have taken decades and in some countries centuries to build. All you see is an ambulance that takes 7 minutes to get to your house. What you do not see is a well designed road and highway network, a wealthy society with laws that allow training of a skilled workforce that can survive doing one job a time, security etc. The service you enjoy is only the tip of an iceberg of cultural, political, technological advances that took a long time to build.

Anybody visiting the Western countries should first be struck at how young we are as a country. Kenya did not exist as a country or even a territory before the 1880s and then for 75 years was a colony... please note that we have been independent for a shorter time time than we were under British occupation. The constitutional debates we were having to the runup to 2010 were the kind of questions the US was having in the 1780s. You visit Universities in the US that were started in the 1700s and 1800s. These are agricultural, engineering and medical colleges and all that knowledge and workforce went to develop the places that people visit today and start abusing they mother country for being backward.

We have our problems, but we must work from where we are. Some things take time. Make sure your children are in a better place than you and you will have done your part.


This is the usual "back banner" excuse we give ourselves so as we can continue slacking.

Should we go the full life cycle of our predecessors so that we can evolve?

How old is Singapore? Botswana?

Thanks to technology we have case studies available for us to learn, but do we want to learn?


We are who we are and we are where we are. Not all explanations are excuses. I think this hardcore desire to "develop" actually does more harm to a country than good. People are taught to hate themselves just because they do not have some material advancements.

People in Kenya are not slackers, go to Marikiti or Gikomba or Burma or Kenyatta market and see. Visit Kibera and Korogocho and see people fending for themselves. Slacking is not why we are here or have what we have.


Go to govt offices - the people supposed to be implementing economic policies count how many people are not slacking
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Fullykenyan
#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:35:33 PM
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Joined: 7/27/2014
Posts: 560
Location: Eastlando
What i have realised in kenya, is that life has no value. This is the beginning of our woes. If life has no value, you will not value anything that sustains life, let alone making living bearable.
It is true that people in kenya are not slackers but most kenyans seek only what profits them. We forget that, if we seek, what is good for the society, the gains are more and also sustainable, than when we seek individual goals.
Fullykenyan
#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:46:16 PM
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Joined: 7/27/2014
Posts: 560
Location: Eastlando
murchr wrote:
@Fullykenyan, pole I hope all goes well for you.

The Kenyan problem is part leadership and part us as Kenyans.
Look at how we walk on pathways or drive, do you think the Ambulance would have been at your house in the same 5-8mins time? It would probably have been stuck in traffic because no one would want to give way.

The nurse/paramedic would probably not give the utmost best care because either, they dont love their job, they are not well equipped, or they dont know what to do

As a people we need to have some value of life

Thanks alot. The tests for the boy all came negative.Thank God!!. However, they want to continue having him around, so that they can monitor him at least for not less than 48 hours they said.
The reaction of the paramedics, the city´s emergency doctor and the children´s doctor left me in tears.
The emergency doctor, later told me, that when it comes to a kid,they dont take any chances at all. The worst mistake you can make here, is to hinder an ambulance or an emergency doctor´s car. During emergency, it is like Uhuru´s motorcade on uhuru highway.
For everything, i have to only pay 10 euros for it
Baratang
#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:52:11 PM
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Joined: 10/6/2009
Posts: 587
murchr wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Do not be too hard on Kenya. We are where we are and in my opinion we are doing quite well. The thing people forget when they move from Kenya to western or other developed countries is that those countries have not always been as they are now. The institutions, cultures and wealth have taken decades and in some countries centuries to build. All you see is an ambulance that takes 7 minutes to get to your house. What you do not see is a well designed road and highway network, a wealthy society with laws that allow training of a skilled workforce that can survive doing one job a time, security etc. The service you enjoy is only the tip of an iceberg of cultural, political, technological advances that took a long time to build.

Anybody visiting the Western countries should first be struck at how young we are as a country. Kenya did not exist as a country or even a territory before the 1880s and then for 75 years was a colony... please note that we have been independent for a shorter time time than we were under British occupation. The constitutional debates we were having to the runup to 2010 were the kind of questions the US was having in the 1780s. You visit Universities in the US that were started in the 1700s and 1800s. These are agricultural, engineering and medical colleges and all that knowledge and workforce went to develop the places that people visit today and start abusing they mother country for being backward.

We have our problems, but we must work from where we are. Some things take time. Make sure your children are in a better place than you and you will have done your part.


This is the usual "back banner" excuse we give ourselves so as we can continue slacking.

Should we go the full life cycle of our predecessors so that we can evolve?

How old is Singapore? Botswana?

Thanks to technology we have case studies available for us to learn, but do we want to learn?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Botswana you say!!! Talk about something that you know very well bwana na siyo kudanganya watu!!
murchr
#18 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:10:46 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Baratang wrote:
murchr wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Do not be too hard on Kenya. We are where we are and in my opinion we are doing quite well. The thing people forget when they move from Kenya to western or other developed countries is that those countries have not always been as they are now. The institutions, cultures and wealth have taken decades and in some countries centuries to build. All you see is an ambulance that takes 7 minutes to get to your house. What you do not see is a well designed road and highway network, a wealthy society with laws that allow training of a skilled workforce that can survive doing one job a time, security etc. The service you enjoy is only the tip of an iceberg of cultural, political, technological advances that took a long time to build.

Anybody visiting the Western countries should first be struck at how young we are as a country. Kenya did not exist as a country or even a territory before the 1880s and then for 75 years was a colony... please note that we have been independent for a shorter time time than we were under British occupation. The constitutional debates we were having to the runup to 2010 were the kind of questions the US was having in the 1780s. You visit Universities in the US that were started in the 1700s and 1800s. These are agricultural, engineering and medical colleges and all that knowledge and workforce went to develop the places that people visit today and start abusing they mother country for being backward.

We have our problems, but we must work from where we are. Some things take time. Make sure your children are in a better place than you and you will have done your part.


This is the usual "back banner" excuse we give ourselves so as we can continue slacking.

Should we go the full life cycle of our predecessors so that we can evolve?

How old is Singapore? Botswana?

Thanks to technology we have case studies available for us to learn, but do we want to learn?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Botswana you say!!! Talk about something that you know very well bwana na siyo kudanganya watu!!


@Baratang, the GDP per capita of Bostwana is far much higher than this hole full of shit called Kenya. Look again
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#19 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:24:35 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Fullykenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
@Fullykenyan, pole I hope all goes well for you.

The Kenyan problem is part leadership and part us as Kenyans.
Look at how we walk on pathways or drive, do you think the Ambulance would have been at your house in the same 5-8mins time? It would probably have been stuck in traffic because no one would want to give way.

The nurse/paramedic would probably not give the utmost best care because either, they dont love their job, they are not well equipped, or they dont know what to do

As a people we need to have some value of life

Thanks alot. The tests for the boy all came negative.Thank God!!. However, they want to continue having him around, so that they can monitor him at least for not less than 48 hours they said.
The reaction of the paramedics, the city´s emergency doctor and the children´s doctor left me in tears.
The emergency doctor, later told me, that when it comes to a kid,they dont take any chances at all. The worst mistake you can make here, is to hinder an ambulance or an emergency doctor´s car. During emergency, it is like Uhuru´s motorcade on uhuru highway.
For everything, i have to only pay 10 euros for it


Thank God all is well. I have lived in a city where traffic paves way for a hearse taking a body either to be buried or to a morgue. We still have a long way to go in as far as. We will have to change our attitudes, but what would help most is the emergence of new cities - Tatus and all with their own management rules .
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
tom_boy
#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 24, 2018 6:40:33 AM
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Joined: 2/20/2007
Posts: 767
Kusadikika wrote:
murchr wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Do not be too hard on Kenya. We are where we are and in my opinion we are doing quite well. The thing people forget when they move from Kenya to western or other developed countries is that those countries have not always been as they are now. The institutions, cultures and wealth have taken decades and in some countries centuries to build. All you see is an ambulance that takes 7 minutes to get to your house. What you do not see is a well designed road and highway network, a wealthy society with laws that allow training of a skilled workforce that can survive doing one job a time, security etc. The service you enjoy is only the tip of an iceberg of cultural, political, technological advances that took a long time to build.

Anybody visiting the Western countries should first be struck at how young we are as a country. Kenya did not exist as a country or even a territory before the 1880s and then for 75 years was a colony... please note that we have been independent for a shorter time time than we were under British occupation. The constitutional debates we were having to the runup to 2010 were the kind of questions the US was having in the 1780s. You visit Universities in the US that were started in the 1700s and 1800s. These are agricultural, engineering and medical colleges and all that knowledge and workforce went to develop the places that people visit today and start abusing they mother country for being backward.

We have our problems, but we must work from where we are. Some things take time. Make sure your children are in a better place than you and you will have done your part.


This is the usual "back banner" excuse we give ourselves so as we can continue slacking.

Should we go the full life cycle of our predecessors so that we can evolve?

How old is Singapore? Botswana?

Thanks to technology we have case studies available for us to learn, but do we want to learn?


We are who we are and we are where we are. Not all explanations are excuses. I think this hardcore desire to "develop" actually does more harm to a country than good. People are taught to hate themselves just because they do not have some material advancements.

People in Kenya are not slackers, go to Marikiti or Gikomba or Burma or Kenyatta market and see. Visit Kibera and Korogocho and see people fending for themselves. Slacking is not why we are here or have what we have.


Our problem is greedy leadership that has permeated all sectors of our society.
Why do we import mitumba anything?
Why do we have such poorly designed roads?
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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