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AlphDoti
#651 Posted : Tuesday, January 16, 2018 7:39:47 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Had it been the role of women or had it been more divine, why wouldn’t the Prophet {SAW} have asked Lady `A’ishah or Lady Khadijah, or Lady Fatimah—the greatest women of all time—to lead? These women were promised heaven and yet they never led prayer..

Why should they be labeled as the greatest women of all time? Walifanya nini? ambacho mama yangu na mke wangu hawajafanya? Marie Curie is the greatest woman of all time!

Because they were the wives of the most influencial man in history out of top 100, from time immemorial (research done 1978 by the author Michael H. Hart) Muhammad (salalahu aleihi wa salaam).

Mark you even the other one of the greatest women in history, Mary the mother of Jesus peace be upon them both, never, ever led prayers! And she was the most loved woman by God at the time...
masukuma
#652 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:36:51 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Had it been the role of women or had it been more divine, why wouldn’t the Prophet {SAW} have asked Lady `A’ishah or Lady Khadijah, or Lady Fatimah—the greatest women of all time—to lead? These women were promised heaven and yet they never led prayer..

Why should they be labeled as the greatest women of all time? Walifanya nini? ambacho mama yangu na mke wangu hawajafanya? Marie Curie is the greatest woman of all time!

Because they were the wives of the most influencial man in history out of top 100, from time immemorial (research done 1978 by the author Michael H. Hart) Muhammad (salalahu aleihi wa salaam).

Mark you even the other one of the greatest women in history, Mary the mother of Jesus peace be upon them both, never, ever led prayers! And she was the most loved woman by God at the time...

I thought they were great because of SOMETHING THEY DID as opposed to being "great" because someone influential married them. They become important to you over and above a person like Marie Curie or Wangari Mathaai who in DID SOMETHING NOTEWORTHY
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Lolest!
#653 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:47:05 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Had it been the role of women or had it been more divine, why wouldn’t the Prophet {SAW} have asked Lady `A’ishah or Lady Khadijah, or Lady Fatimah—the greatest women of all time—to lead? These women were promised heaven and yet they never led prayer..

Why should they be labeled as the greatest women of all time? Walifanya nini? ambacho mama yangu na mke wangu hawajafanya? Marie Curie is the greatest woman of all time!

Because they were the wives of the most influencial man in history out of top 100, from time immemorial (research done 1978 by the author Michael H. Hart) Muhammad (salalahu aleihi wa salaam).

Mark you even the other one of the greatest women in history, Mary the mother of Jesus peace be upon them both, never, ever led prayers! And she was the most loved woman by God at the time...

I thought they were great because of SOMETHING THEY DID as opposed to being "great" because someone influential married them. They become important to you over and above a person like Marie Curie or Wangari Mathaai who in DID SOMETHING NOTEWORTHY

Hata mbwa ya mdosi pia ni mdosi-Kenyan proverb
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Lolest!
#654 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:49:39 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
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Because they were the wives of the most influencial man in history out of top 100, from time immemorial (research done 1978 by the author Michael H. Hart) Muhammad (salalahu aleihi wa salaam).

Happy new year AbuDotiLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Mukiri
#655 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2018 8:15:52 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
Lolest! wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Had it been the role of women or had it been more divine, why wouldn’t the Prophet {SAW} have asked Lady `A’ishah or Lady Khadijah, or Lady Fatimah—the greatest women of all time—to lead? These women were promised heaven and yet they never led prayer..

Why should they be labeled as the greatest women of all time? Walifanya nini? ambacho mama yangu na mke wangu hawajafanya? Marie Curie is the greatest woman of all time!

Because they were the wives of the most influencial man in history out of top 100, from time immemorial (research done 1978 by the author Michael H. Hart) Muhammad (salalahu aleihi wa salaam).

Mark you even the other one of the greatest women in history, Mary the mother of Jesus peace be upon them both, never, ever led prayers! And she was the most loved woman by God at the time...

I thought they were great because of SOMETHING THEY DID as opposed to being "great" because someone influential married them. They become important to you over and above a person like Marie Curie or Wangari Mathaai who in DID SOMETHING NOTEWORTHY

Hata mbwa ya mdosi pia ni mdosi-Kenyan proverb

smile

Proverbs 19:21
masukuma
#656 Posted : Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:17:27 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
Lolest! wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Had it been the role of women or had it been more divine, why wouldn’t the Prophet {SAW} have asked Lady `A’ishah or Lady Khadijah, or Lady Fatimah—the greatest women of all time—to lead? These women were promised heaven and yet they never led prayer..

Why should they be labeled as the greatest women of all time? Walifanya nini? ambacho mama yangu na mke wangu hawajafanya? Marie Curie is the greatest woman of all time!

Because they were the wives of the most influencial man in history out of top 100, from time immemorial (research done 1978 by the author Michael H. Hart) Muhammad (salalahu aleihi wa salaam).

Mark you even the other one of the greatest women in history, Mary the mother of Jesus peace be upon them both, never, ever led prayers! And she was the most loved woman by God at the time...

I thought they were great because of SOMETHING THEY DID as opposed to being "great" because someone influential married them. They become important to you over and above a person like Marie Curie or Wangari Mathaai who in DID SOMETHING NOTEWORTHY

Hata mbwa ya mdosi pia ni mdosi-Kenyan proverb

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
AlphDoti
#657 Posted : Thursday, January 18, 2018 1:06:58 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Lolest! wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Had it been the role of women or had it been more divine, why wouldn’t the Prophet {SAW} have asked Lady `A’ishah or Lady Khadijah, or Lady Fatimah—the greatest women of all time—to lead? These women were promised heaven and yet they never led prayer..

Why should they be labeled as the greatest women of all time? Walifanya nini? ambacho mama yangu na mke wangu hawajafanya? Marie Curie is the greatest woman of all time!

Because they were the wives of the most influencial man in history out of top 100, from time immemorial (research done 1978 by the author Michael H. Hart) Muhammad (salalahu aleihi wa salaam).

Mark you even the other one of the greatest women in history, Mary the mother of Jesus peace be upon them both, never, ever led prayers! And she was the most loved woman by God at the time...

I thought they were great because of SOMETHING THEY DID as opposed to being "great" because someone influential married them. They become important to you over and above a person like Marie Curie or Wangari Mathaai who in DID SOMETHING NOTEWORTHY

Hata mbwa ya mdosi pia ni mdosi-Kenyan proverb

@mavegs, spiritually.

Just like Margret Kenyatta politically in Kenya currently... Quote: by virtue of being the First Lady of Kenya and the pillar to President Uhuru Kenyatta.

Somewhere there is some other women who is greatest in every facet of human being...

Even Vera Sidika ako na lane yake...
masukuma
#658 Posted : Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:46:57 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

Had it been the role of women or had it been more divine, why wouldn’t the Prophet {SAW} have asked Lady `A’ishah or Lady Khadijah, or Lady Fatimah—the greatest women of all time—to lead? These women were promised heaven and yet they never led prayer..

Why should they be labeled as the greatest women of all time? Walifanya nini? ambacho mama yangu na mke wangu hawajafanya? Marie Curie is the greatest woman of all time!

Because they were the wives of the most influencial man in history out of top 100, from time immemorial (research done 1978 by the author Michael H. Hart) Muhammad (salalahu aleihi wa salaam).

Mark you even the other one of the greatest women in history, Mary the mother of Jesus peace be upon them both, never, ever led prayers! And she was the most loved woman by God at the time...

I thought they were great because of SOMETHING THEY DID as opposed to being "great" because someone influential married them. They become important to you over and above a person like Marie Curie or Wangari Mathaai who in DID SOMETHING NOTEWORTHY

Hata mbwa ya mdosi pia ni mdosi-Kenyan proverb

@mavegs, spiritually.

Just like Margret Kenyatta politically in Kenya currently... Quote: by virtue of being the First Lady of Kenya and the pillar to President Uhuru Kenyatta.

Somewhere there is some other women who is greatest in every facet of human being...

Even Vera Sidika ako na lane yake...

while we respect Margret Kenyatta we don't consider her the most <insert verb here> woman because her husband is the most <insert verb here> person in kenya - right? it's a broken system!
Ruto is a hustler and a mchoraji per excellence. we don't automatically attribute the same to Rachel Ruto... Raila is the most unbwogable person in kenya... we don't say Mama Ida is the most unbwogable woman in Kenya! do we?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
FRM2011
#659 Posted : Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:04:39 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459

I beg to divert the debate on this thread slightly.

The biggest threat to theism in Kenya will not come from the AIK but the church itself.

We have always laughed at the outright frauds masquerading as church leaders. Kanyari, Helicopter and the like. But the rot goes all the way up to the mainstream churches. 3 examples below.

Two weeks ago, we were treated to the sad tragedy of top catholic leadership taking ownership of the St. Mary's hospital in Langata. They evicted the founder priest, a white father who brought in the donors who put up the hospital. At that point it sounded okay because they had a court order. But now it turns out that the court order they used that day was forged.

In my church, PCEA, the moderator is the church boss, the equivalent of a CEO. The immediate former moderator is a guy called Rev Gathanju. He is in court for theft of 40M from the church. We are not talking corruption or inflated bills or tender-preneurship, they simply transferred church money to his account. And he refused to refund even after very many requests. That's how the current church leadership decided to have him arrested. Most church properties have been attached by auctioneers. The university was a cash cow for the church leaders and currently is in a mess.

At the ACK, there was a sickening tragi-comedy in Nyeri diocese where the church leadership fired two pastors on accusations of homosexuality. The matter went to court and it later turned out, the two pastors were being targeted by the bishop for refusing to toe his line and let him eat quietly. The alleged victims later recanted and confirmed they were induced by the bishop to falsely accuse the two pastors. The drama does not end there. The high court ruled that the two pastors should be reinstated and compensated. But the top church leadership decided to side with the conniving bishop and went to the court of appeal. One wonders what is driving their fight. Because its definitely not the moral standpoint. Its purely self-preservation.

Two decades ago, it was possible for the church to project an image as the paragon of virtue. They could get away with many things. But not now, not in the information age.
Lolest!
#660 Posted : Friday, January 19, 2018 5:31:08 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
FRM2011 wrote:

I beg to divert the debate on this thread slightly.

The biggest threat to theism in Kenya will not come from the AIK but the church itself.

We have always laughed at the outright frauds masquerading as church leaders. Kanyari, Helicopter and the like. But the rot goes all the way up to the mainstream churches. 3 examples below.

Two weeks ago, we were treated to the sad tragedy of top catholic leadership taking ownership of the St. Mary's hospital in Langata. They evicted the founder priest, a white father who brought in the donors who put up the hospital. At that point it sounded okay because they had a court order. But now it turns out that the court order they used that day was forged.

In my church, PCEA, the moderator is the church boss, the equivalent of a CEO. The immediate former moderator is a guy called Rev Gathanju. He is in court for theft of 40M from the church. We are not talking corruption or inflated bills or tender-preneurship, they simply transferred church money to his account. And he refused to refund even after very many requests. That's how the current church leadership decided to have him arrested. Most church properties have been attached by auctioneers. The university was a cash cow for the church leaders and currently is in a mess.

At the ACK, there was a sickening tragi-comedy in Nyeri diocese where the church leadership fired two pastors on accusations of homosexuality. The matter went to court and it later turned out, the two pastors were being targeted by the bishop for refusing to toe his line and let him eat quietly. The alleged victims later recanted and confirmed they were induced by the bishop to falsely accuse the two pastors. The drama does not end there. The high court ruled that the two pastors should be reinstated and compensated. But the top church leadership decided to side with the conniving bishop and went to the court of appeal. One wonders what is driving their fight. Because its definitely not the moral standpoint. Its purely self-preservation.

Two decades ago, it was possible for the church to project an image as the paragon of virtue. They could get away with many things. But not now, not in the information age.

Wewe atheist kumbuka pia Yesu alifanya kazi na Judas na huyo Judas alikuwa mweka hazina ambaye aliiba fedha hizo
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