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Cane farmers told to diversify, grow maize to end poverty https://www.the-star.co....-to-end-poverty_c1662994No diagnosis,no pragnosis,no pragnosis no profit......Jesse livermore
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[quote=Magnate]Cane farmers told to diversify, grow maize to end poverty https://www.the-star.co....to-end-poverty_c1662994[/quote] AS MUMIAS SUGAR IS BACK TO GRAB THE MARKET SHARE AGAIN!! https://www.standardmedi...after-missing-for-monthsWatch and Listen and Live
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Sale of State sugar firms on after suit flops http://www.businessdaily...181958-axbsxx/index.html“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 909
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Mumias Sugar, Kenya Power in deal to restart electricity supply http://www.businessdaily...97270-11ae2y4/index.html“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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kayhara wrote:obiero wrote:HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:So who else is in Mumias to verify.. The MD himself states that the cables leading to the water pumps for the sugar crushers have been incapacitated.. Shindeni tu hapo mkikana moto ilitibuka MSC Nobody denies that there was a fire, but was the fire a major event that couldn't be sorted out without disrupting the operations of the sugar mill. Do you think they will tell you that? Me have noted there was and eventful enough kugonga vichwa vya wanahabari. Sasa najaribu kujifahamisha nazo bottomlines sitangongwa kiasi gani. I seriously doubt whether there is any wazuan holding on to shares of this bandia firm right now I must be as "bandia" a wazuan as the firm, since I have never stopped buying into the "bandia" firm for the past 4 years. Na Bado sichoki. We shall soon find out. I besiege you to bail out of MSC, it may not end well This monkey has been good for my speculation, bought at 0.75 sold at 1.30 waiting for price to dip again, this time it might not go below 1,but 1.05 will be a buy Let me leave this here http://www.businessdaily...234110-la3l9r/index.html HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 909
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Kesho its the AGM, lets see if there will be anything useful coming out of it. “You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,677 Location: NAIROBI
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Mumias Sugar requesting for a sh.4bn bailout https://www.standardmedi...eeks-sh4-billion-bailoutWealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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A tragedy HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Elections are over, destined to die!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 909
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obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. “You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,702
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HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. Mumias is not the sugar industry. The government should completely stop propping it up and leave it to market forces to determine its viability. There are many examples of industries propped by inefficient government monopolies that have been left to collapse and people went on to find other things to do. Cases in point, Kenya used to be the worlds number 1 exporter of pyrethrum, now the production of pyrethrum is less than 10% what it once was. People who used to grow pyrethrum simply uprooted the crop and started growing other things or went on to do something else. Coffee production in Central Kenya is fraction of what it used to be in the 70s and 80s. What happened to all those people who used to depend on coffee? They found something else that was more profitable to do. Market forces are not only about profit. Losses are as important to an efficient market system as profits because they signal that resources are not going to where they can be utilized most efficiently and there needs to be a change to how those resources are allocated. The same soil that produces sugar cane can produce other crops or be used in a variety of other different ways. It is also possible that if the government stops propping up Mumias the share price could fall to 1 cent a share at which point it would be attractive enough to someone who knows how to run a sugar factory to buy it and run it efficiently and profitably or someone else might buy it break it up and sell it all as scrap metal. There is nothing special about producing sugar in Mumias. The country is not suffering from sugar starvation that can only be cured by pumping money into Mumias. It is time people stopped talking about going back to the good old days. There is no going back, time only rolls forwards and businesses are born and businesses die every day. If Mumias cannot survive as a business let it die.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,095 Location: Nairobi
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HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. It's simple [economically speaking]... Let the weak die and the strong survive. There are firms like Ramisi, West Kenya, etc which can pick up the slack. A "New Mumias" can be carved out of the bankrupt Mumias. The New Mumias would have none of the legacy debt or problems. It can re-negotiate contracts with farmers and suppliers. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,095 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. Mumias is not the sugar industry. The government should completely stop propping it up and leave it to market forces to determine its viability. There are many examples of industries propped by inefficient government monopolies that have been left to collapse and people went on to find other things to do. Cases in point, Kenya used to be the worlds number 1 exporter of pyrethrum, now the production of pyrethrum is less than 10% what it once was. People who used to grow pyrethrum simply uprooted the crop and started growing other things or went on to do something else. Coffee production in Central Kenya is fraction of what it used to be in the 70s and 80s. What happened to all those people who used to depend on coffee? They found something else that was more profitable to do. Market forces are not only about profit. Losses are as important to an efficient market system as profits because they signal that resources are not going to where they can be utilized most efficiently and there needs to be a change to how those resources are allocated. The same soil that produces sugar cane can produce other crops or be used in a variety of other different ways. It is also possible that if the government stops propping up Mumias the share price could fall to 1 cent a share at which point it would be attractive enough to someone who knows how to run a sugar factory to buy it and run it efficiently and profitably or someone else might buy it break it up and sell it all as scrap metal. There is nothing special about producing sugar in Mumias. The country is not suffering from sugar starvation that can only be cured by pumping money into Mumias. It is time people stopped talking about going back to the good old days. There is no going back, time only rolls forwards and businesses are born and businesses die every day. If Mumias cannot survive as a business let it die. The same with Uchumi, KQ, NBK, etc! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Kusadikika wrote:HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. Mumias is not the sugar industry. The government should completely stop propping it up and leave it to market forces to determine its viability. There are many examples of industries propped by inefficient government monopolies that have been left to collapse and people went on to find other things to do. Cases in point, Kenya used to be the worlds number 1 exporter of pyrethrum, now the production of pyrethrum is less than 10% what it once was. People who used to grow pyrethrum simply uprooted the crop and started growing other things or went on to do something else. Coffee production in Central Kenya is fraction of what it used to be in the 70s and 80s. What happened to all those people who used to depend on coffee? They found something else that was more profitable to do. Market forces are not only about profit. Losses are as important to an efficient market system as profits because they signal that resources are not going to where they can be utilized most efficiently and there needs to be a change to how those resources are allocated. The same soil that produces sugar cane can produce other crops or be used in a variety of other different ways. It is also possible that if the government stops propping up Mumias the share price could fall to 1 cent a share at which point it would be attractive enough to someone who knows how to run a sugar factory to buy it and run it efficiently and profitably or someone else might buy it break it up and sell it all as scrap metal. There is nothing special about producing sugar in Mumias. The country is not suffering from sugar starvation that can only be cured by pumping money into Mumias. It is time people stopped talking about going back to the good old days. There is no going back, time only rolls forwards and businesses are born and businesses die every day. If Mumias cannot survive as a business let it die. The same with Uchumi, KQ, NBK, etc! Lovely piece by @kusadikika, MSC to be sold off as scrap metal! @vvs KQ will never be allowed to die and everyone knows that HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 909
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Kusadikika wrote:HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. Mumias is not the sugar industry. The government should completely stop propping it up and leave it to market forces to determine its viability. There are many examples of industries propped by inefficient government monopolies that have been left to collapse and people went on to find other things to do. Cases in point, Kenya used to be the worlds number 1 exporter of pyrethrum, now the production of pyrethrum is less than 10% what it once was. People who used to grow pyrethrum simply uprooted the crop and started growing other things or went on to do something else. Coffee production in Central Kenya is fraction of what it used to be in the 70s and 80s. What happened to all those people who used to depend on coffee? They found something else that was more profitable to do. Market forces are not only about profit. Losses are as important to an efficient market system as profits because they signal that resources are not going to where they can be utilized most efficiently and there needs to be a change to how those resources are allocated. The same soil that produces sugar cane can produce other crops or be used in a variety of other different ways. It is also possible that if the government stops propping up Mumias the share price could fall to 1 cent a share at which point it would be attractive enough to someone who knows how to run a sugar factory to buy it and run it efficiently and profitably or someone else might buy it break it up and sell it all as scrap metal. There is nothing special about producing sugar in Mumias. The country is not suffering from sugar starvation that can only be cured by pumping money into Mumias. It is time people stopped talking about going back to the good old days. There is no going back, time only rolls forwards and businesses are born and businesses die every day. If Mumias cannot survive as a business let it die. I can see you took time for your writeup, vague in my view and poorly thought out. Mumias is not the only factory we're talking of here, we are talking of 5 government factories plus Mumias, not to mention the private millers who I don't think can produce sugar at the same cost as foreign companies, they are only profitable because of the government regulations. When cover was almost killed in central where I'm from by the way, that's when groups like mungiki came up, western and nyanza regions should start looking for their own version of Maina njenga. “You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 909
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HaMaina wrote:Kusadikika wrote:HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. Mumias is not the sugar industry. The government should completely stop propping it up and leave it to market forces to determine its viability. There are many examples of industries propped by inefficient government monopolies that have been left to collapse and people went on to find other things to do. Cases in point, Kenya used to be the worlds number 1 exporter of pyrethrum, now the production of pyrethrum is less than 10% what it once was. People who used to grow pyrethrum simply uprooted the crop and started growing other things or went on to do something else. Coffee production in Central Kenya is fraction of what it used to be in the 70s and 80s. What happened to all those people who used to depend on coffee? They found something else that was more profitable to do. Market forces are not only about profit. Losses are as important to an efficient market system as profits because they signal that resources are not going to where they can be utilized most efficiently and there needs to be a change to how those resources are allocated. The same soil that produces sugar cane can produce other crops or be used in a variety of other different ways. It is also possible that if the government stops propping up Mumias the share price could fall to 1 cent a share at which point it would be attractive enough to someone who knows how to run a sugar factory to buy it and run it efficiently and profitably or someone else might buy it break it up and sell it all as scrap metal. There is nothing special about producing sugar in Mumias. The country is not suffering from sugar starvation that can only be cured by pumping money into Mumias. It is time people stopped talking about going back to the good old days. There is no going back, time only rolls forwards and businesses are born and businesses die every day. If Mumias cannot survive as a business let it die. I can see you took time for your writeup, vague in my view and poorly thought out. Mumias is not the only factory we're talking of here, we are talking of 5 government factories plus Mumias, not to mention the private millers who I don't think can produce sugar at the same cost as foreign companies, they are only profitable because of the government regulations. When coffee was almost killed in central where I'm from by the way, that's when groups like mungiki came up, western and nyanza regions should start looking for their own version of maina njenga. “You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,497 Location: nairobi
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HaMaina wrote:HaMaina wrote:Kusadikika wrote:HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. Mumias is not the sugar industry. The government should completely stop propping it up and leave it to market forces to determine its viability. There are many examples of industries propped by inefficient government monopolies that have been left to collapse and people went on to find other things to do. Cases in point, Kenya used to be the worlds number 1 exporter of pyrethrum, now the production of pyrethrum is less than 10% what it once was. People who used to grow pyrethrum simply uprooted the crop and started growing other things or went on to do something else. Coffee production in Central Kenya is fraction of what it used to be in the 70s and 80s. What happened to all those people who used to depend on coffee? They found something else that was more profitable to do. Market forces are not only about profit. Losses are as important to an efficient market system as profits because they signal that resources are not going to where they can be utilized most efficiently and there needs to be a change to how those resources are allocated. The same soil that produces sugar cane can produce other crops or be used in a variety of other different ways. It is also possible that if the government stops propping up Mumias the share price could fall to 1 cent a share at which point it would be attractive enough to someone who knows how to run a sugar factory to buy it and run it efficiently and profitably or someone else might buy it break it up and sell it all as scrap metal. There is nothing special about producing sugar in Mumias. The country is not suffering from sugar starvation that can only be cured by pumping money into Mumias. It is time people stopped talking about going back to the good old days. There is no going back, time only rolls forwards and businesses are born and businesses die every day. If Mumias cannot survive as a business let it die. I can see you took time for your writeup, vague in my view and poorly thought out. Mumias is not the only factory we're talking of here, we are talking of 5 government factories plus Mumias, not to mention the private millers who I don't think can produce sugar at the same cost as foreign companies, they are only profitable because of the government regulations. When coffee was almost killed in central where I'm from by the way, that's when groups like mungiki came up, western and nyanza regions should start looking for their own version of maina njenga. God forbid HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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HaMaina wrote:Kusadikika wrote:HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. Mumias is not the sugar industry. The government should completely stop propping it up and leave it to market forces to determine its viability. There are many examples of industries propped by inefficient government monopolies that have been left to collapse and people went on to find other things to do. Cases in point, Kenya used to be the worlds number 1 exporter of pyrethrum, now the production of pyrethrum is less than 10% what it once was. People who used to grow pyrethrum simply uprooted the crop and started growing other things or went on to do something else. Coffee production in Central Kenya is fraction of what it used to be in the 70s and 80s. What happened to all those people who used to depend on coffee? They found something else that was more profitable to do. Market forces are not only about profit. Losses are as important to an efficient market system as profits because they signal that resources are not going to where they can be utilized most efficiently and there needs to be a change to how those resources are allocated. The same soil that produces sugar cane can produce other crops or be used in a variety of other different ways. It is also possible that if the government stops propping up Mumias the share price could fall to 1 cent a share at which point it would be attractive enough to someone who knows how to run a sugar factory to buy it and run it efficiently and profitably or someone else might buy it break it up and sell it all as scrap metal. There is nothing special about producing sugar in Mumias. The country is not suffering from sugar starvation that can only be cured by pumping money into Mumias. It is time people stopped talking about going back to the good old days. There is no going back, time only rolls forwards and businesses are born and businesses die every day. If Mumias cannot survive as a business let it die. I can see you took time for your writeup, vague in my view and poorly thought out. Mumias is not the only factory we're talking of here, we are talking of 5 government factories plus Mumias, not to mention the private millers who I don't think can produce sugar at the same cost as foreign companies, they are only profitable because of the government regulations. When cover was almost killed in central where I'm from by the way, that's when groups like mungiki came up, western and nyanza regions should start looking for their own version of Maina njenga. Which coffee was grown in Muranga and Laikipia? Rewriting history? And even if we were to concede that point, which I dont... it means issue was failure to provide alternatives that can make at least or more than the pathetic coins Mumias pays to farmers which should be the objective of leaders there... maybe move to Sorghum or wheat or millet
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mozenrat wrote:HaMaina wrote:Kusadikika wrote:HaMaina wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Elections are over, destined to die!!! Once again, I can be the mortician and undertaker too on this one. But HAFR is likely to go first If you can explain to me what shall become of the 5M + Kenyan citizens who directly or indirectly depend on the Sugar Industry, maybe I will think about it. This is no longer a "who voted for me" issue, it's a Kenyan issue. Mumias is not the sugar industry. The government should completely stop propping it up and leave it to market forces to determine its viability. There are many examples of industries propped by inefficient government monopolies that have been left to collapse and people went on to find other things to do. Cases in point, Kenya used to be the worlds number 1 exporter of pyrethrum, now the production of pyrethrum is less than 10% what it once was. People who used to grow pyrethrum simply uprooted the crop and started growing other things or went on to do something else. Coffee production in Central Kenya is fraction of what it used to be in the 70s and 80s. What happened to all those people who used to depend on coffee? They found something else that was more profitable to do. Market forces are not only about profit. Losses are as important to an efficient market system as profits because they signal that resources are not going to where they can be utilized most efficiently and there needs to be a change to how those resources are allocated. The same soil that produces sugar cane can produce other crops or be used in a variety of other different ways. It is also possible that if the government stops propping up Mumias the share price could fall to 1 cent a share at which point it would be attractive enough to someone who knows how to run a sugar factory to buy it and run it efficiently and profitably or someone else might buy it break it up and sell it all as scrap metal. There is nothing special about producing sugar in Mumias. The country is not suffering from sugar starvation that can only be cured by pumping money into Mumias. It is time people stopped talking about going back to the good old days. There is no going back, time only rolls forwards and businesses are born and businesses die every day. If Mumias cannot survive as a business let it die. I can see you took time for your writeup, vague in my view and poorly thought out. Mumias is not the only factory we're talking of here, we are talking of 5 government factories plus Mumias, not to mention the private millers who I don't think can produce sugar at the same cost as foreign companies, they are only profitable because of the government regulations. When cover was almost killed in central where I'm from by the way, that's when groups like mungiki came up, western and nyanza regions should start looking for their own version of Maina njenga. Which coffee was grown in Muranga and Laikipia? Rewriting history? And even if we were to concede that point, which I dont... it means issue was failure to provide alternatives that can make at least or more than the pathetic coins Mumias pays to farmers which should be the objective of leaders there... maybe move to Sorghum or wheat or millet I guess this is the problem right here. That the factories are owned by the government which means that the sugar factories are insulated from the incentives to make any changes. There is nothing special about sugar. If sugarcane cannot be grown profitably and processed into sugar in Western Kenya then it should not be grown. Government should sell its stake in all sugar factories and let the market decide if sugarcane growing is a viable business in Western Kenya. Maybe Western Kenya could be earning 10 times as much growing sweet potatoes or sorghum or Mukhobero. For as long as the sugar mills are propped up by government they will never explore alternatives. Losses without the prospect of being bailed out would force them to explore alternatives.
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