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Rank: Member Joined: 3/12/2008 Posts: 215
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Some of the new laws/policies that are coming up are just going to kill rather than promote a saving culture among workers in Kenya. I have just been informed that it is no longer possible to make a partial withdrawal from my individual pension scheme with CFC until I retire or I am out of employment. Last year these fellas paid me an interest rate of about 4% for my savings.
In the past what I have done is save money with the pension scheme for something like 2 years, and then make a partial withdrawal and put the money in higher yielding investments e.g. plots. But with the new policy this is no longer possible.
Even if pension contributions are exempt from PAYE tax, I don’t think it is worthwhile for me to wait for 20 years to get back my savings. Why do these fellas think that I can lend them my money at 4% interest rate per year for 20 years and then go and borrow the same money at 20% from banks? I have just instructed my employer to immediately terminate my contributions. What do Wazuan’s think about this?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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@Kimiri, toka CFC enda Jubilee. They have paid 10% on average on their pension schemes for the last 10 years. Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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Robinhood wrote:@Kimiri, toka CFC enda Jubilee. They have paid 10% on average on their pension schemes for the last 10 years. @ kimiri, most of pension schemes did poorly last year because of the nature of their investiments. Even my beloved aon~jubilee did about the same only it was compesated by previous performance of > 20 %. I would advise you to transfer your pension to jubilee as they do better. Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Are you sure you got the facts right? You should only access 75% (100% of your contribution, 50% of employer) of you pension when you resign before attaining retirement age and the taxes waived will be unwaived. You only access 100% taxes waived after hitting legal retirement age. But you are right about the interest. Last year we also got 6% which is a rip-off considering most people have increased their contribution for this purpose. I'm going to reduce mine next year as I can easily get 10% elsewhere. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:Are you sure you got the facts right? You should only access 75% (100% of your contribution, 50% of employer) of you pension when you resign before attaining retirement age and the taxes waived will be unwaived. You only access 100% taxes waived after hitting legal retirement age.
But you are right about the interest. Last year we also got 6% which is a rip-off considering most people have increased their contribution for this purpose. I'm going to reduce mine next year as I can easily get 10% elsewhere. ...where do u think they,l get their profits if they dont give you low returns even the daftest fund manager can easily do 8% plus in an economy like ours... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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As long as your & the fund managers interests aren't aligned, then KATAA HIYO!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 281 Location: Nairobi
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The pension business is more about protecting the initial investment and sitting pretty on workers' money. Most of them do not actively trade in the NSE. They buy companies that pay dividends and live off that. The rest is in bonds and some real estate developments. If you want high yields in the short run, then pension schemes are NOT the way to go. Trade in the NSE or speculate on plots or other businesses. Pension is a whole different philosophy.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/28/2009 Posts: 353 Location: Cloud
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Does anyone have any comparison how the top 5 individual pension schemes performed? i asked the same from RBA and all i could get was a list of 30 approved schemes! "For i am the master and the captain of my fate"
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/30/2012 Posts: 545 Location: NBI
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madhaquer wrote:The pension business is more about protecting the initial investment and sitting pretty on workers' money. Most of them do not actively trade in the NSE. They buy companies that pay dividends and live off that. The rest is in bonds and some real estate developments. If you want high yields in the short run, then pension schemes are NOT the way to go. Trade in the NSE or speculate on plots or other businesses. Pension is a whole different philosophy. You are absolutely right. 4% is peanuts and negative interest in real terms. GoV is misusing its authority to 'fool' everyday Kenyans into pension schemes -- some of them dubious. I tried reading through the NSSF fliers that were on the round some time back. To me, it looked like a pure scheme to fleece the uninformed. Only put the minimum recommended by GoV. 10% isn't that great as well. in the current environment, 20% + is very possible. BITCOIN TRADERS KENYA Whatsapp group +254 705 299 429
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/2/2006 Posts: 1,206 Location: Nairobi
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Plots,business & NSE is about making profits. It is high risk thus higher rewards.Pension is about assuring you of some income once you retire.It is NOT an investment. One is almost 100% guaranteed...the others are not a guarantee. Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/30/2012 Posts: 545 Location: NBI
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bird_man wrote:Plots,business & NSE is about making profits. It is high risk thus higher rewards.Pension is about assuring you of some income once you retire.It is NOT an investment.
One is almost 100% guaranteed...the others are not a guarantee. Ok, you raise a good point. But given the nature of monetary policy in East Africa, a pension should at least aim to beat inflation. That sets a floor for future cashflow discount rates. What was the last official inflation figure? BITCOIN TRADERS KENYA Whatsapp group +254 705 299 429
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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mic_mic wrote:bird_man wrote:Plots,business & NSE is about making profits. It is high risk thus higher rewards.Pension is about assuring you of some income once you retire.It is NOT an investment.
One is almost 100% guaranteed...the others are not a guarantee. Ok, you raise a good point. But given the nature of monetary policy in East Africa, a pension should at least aim to beat inflation. That sets a floor for future cashflow discount rates. What was the last official inflation figure? There are two types of pensions. Government controlled (NSSF, CPF) and private ones. Govt will give 2.5-6% while Amana for instance did 22% last year. Top dogs in Kenya do some ridiculous numbers.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/2/2006 Posts: 1,206 Location: Nairobi
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Gordon Gekko wrote:mic_mic wrote:bird_man wrote:Plots,business & NSE is about making profits. It is high risk thus higher rewards.Pension is about assuring you of some income once you retire.It is NOT an investment.
One is almost 100% guaranteed...the others are not a guarantee. Ok, you raise a good point. But given the nature of monetary policy in East Africa, a pension should at least aim to beat inflation. That sets a floor for future cashflow discount rates. What was the last official inflation figure? There are two types of pensions. Government controlled (NSSF, CPF) and private ones. Govt will give 2.5-6% while Amana for instance did 22% last year. Top dogs in Kenya do some ridiculous numbers. My thinking....do your pension but be very aggressive when it comes to plots,business & NSE. At least that way you balance the two. Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/4/2015 Posts: 153
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Hey guys, Are there any recent figures on the performance of the pension schemes? Where is this data normally acquired from? Dreams are not the thing you see in your sleep..it's the thing that doesn't let you sleep. - A.P.J. Abdul Kalam
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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ayushnehra wrote:Hey guys,
Are there any recent figures on the performance of the pension schemes? Where is this data normally acquired from?
Normally. its the individuals schemes that declare their returns to the members and issue a statement. Nit sure if the info is available elsewhere. For Jubilee, the performance has been 12%, 8.3% and 9% for 2014, 2015 and 2016 respectively. The performance has been on a downward spiral and may be indicative of other schemes too. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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ayushnehra wrote:Hey guys,
Are there any recent figures on the performance of the pension schemes? Where is this data normally acquired from?
Alexander Forbes are the actuaries and administrators of most corporate pension schemes. So as guys resign, they started convincing people to transfer their balance to their own scheme. It's called vuna. My advice, don't even try. Unless you don't mind a pension statement with a negative return.
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