Nation poll last night on the Kadhi's courts. 70% don't want it 30% want it.

During the debate the deputy speaker was unruly and not in order.He told Joe Ageyo that he brought his christian friends as the audience. That was derogatory.

TV programme was interesting - can't argue with that.

I was disappointed by behaviour of audience which reflected choice of venue - Strathmore is a Catholic institution and I'd warrant over 75% of institution doesn't support Kadhi's courts. The audience was hostile to Mr.Faram and Ms.Wambui.


Best comeback of the evening was when Mr.Kanjama prove beyond doubt that constitutions can be inconsistent requiring some hierachical interpretation of the document.

"Is Kenya a secular state?" - this question caused a conondrum. At first panelists were arguing our constitution does not primarily lean towards Christianity. Then when this question was asked, they felt Kenya should not wholly ascribe to secularism.


"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." These powerful words written by Martin Luther King in 1963 from a Birmingham Jail; and quoted by Mr.Ongote surmised my opinion of the matter.

@sky5, majority of Kenyans lean towards Christianity. It affects our thinking, beliefs, our being... And so it finds itself into the constitution.

So it was slightly amusing to see the panel yesterday argue they don't want Islam because we are secular; and on the other hand argue 'life begins at conception' clause is not a inherently Christian demand.

Also debators could not agree if Muslims are a 'minority'...
Kenya: 88%Christian 10%Islam 2%Other
(wikipedia)

masukuma, so much with the hole-poking in all these threads.
Now be honest to yourself and wazuans and tell us what are the main POSITIVE things about the draft.

Muslims stand to loose nothing if the Kadhis courts are not in the constitution, as long as nobody will stop them from proceeding with their practice.

Regardless of what arguments the panelist put forward, it is important that we seperate state and religion, as well as treat all religions equaly.
There are many other minorities - Hindu, Boharas, Traditionalists, Atheists etc.

In the supermarkets we see Halal signs, in the Abbatrois Muslims are the ones supposed to slaughter, and now we have Islamic banking.
How come none of the other religions have these demands.

So now B.Timer wants to slaughter muslims chickens and the meat to be "blessed"......

August 4th is not too far. Each one of us is entitled to vote either 'GREEN/YES' or 'RED/NO'. So let us mature and avoid acrimony at all costs.

The referendum campaigns have already divided Kenyans along several 'fault lines' which are not healthy for the country. We seem to be heading back to the pre-2005 polarisation and no one seems to care to listen.

Whether YES wins or NO wins, the polarisation will roll over to 2012 GE. That is why all efforts should have been made to get a win-win scenario before referendum date. I don't believe the process is gone too far and can't be halted and the issues addressed.

If a fault plane takes off from the runway and the pilot alerted in good time, he may stop the plane, have it repaired and back on the runway or he may continue and end in a crash.

Man you have a way of reading my mind. Not once or twice.

If the Kibakis had wanted to ensure that the run up to the referundum was undivisive they would have done it.
They handled this casualy now look, we are in a rut.

sky5

It portends that you need to read more and visit the world. Going to your pastor is not an education but an opportunity to be brainwashed.

but it's ok. We are a secular, democratic state. You have a right to be misinformed and swallow it hook, line and sinker.