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Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Just a casual observation;
The fellow who massacred people in Texas USA three days ago was a 'devout' Atheist!
A person can be good or bad, rich or poor regardless of whether or not - they are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Budhist, Animist, Agnostics, Atheist etc I'm glad it is @Ngalaka who is saying this. At last you made the realization. Alhamdullillah!  Mbona sikupati!, Uko na maana gani ndugu! @AlphDoti, Still waiting for you to shed light on your assertions on my person. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Tell people they can't have something and they will want it more. Abolishing religion would have the opposite effect, not what the OP thinks...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:I have always wondered why life after should be better than now. Why not now? What do we mean by 'now' and 'then'? If time is a relation among and between things then, life now, may be worse than the life to come because of what 'now' entails. We don't share a 'now' unless we create it jointly and deliberately. So, 'why not now?' Because of the relations we've created and use.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Which one causes the other? Is the relationship between churches and poverty one of correlation or causation? Cause or Effect?
Beware of simple narratives that explain complex problems I can imagine that the wealth being enjoyed now may have been caused by religion, and as a consequence of wealth, indulgence may have been caused, which then caused irreligion enjoying wealth. Now consider the 'wealth': If in the base year wealth was growing by the factor x and in subsequent years wealth grew by factors that were progressively less than x, such that by the time of appraisal the wealth factor has reduced to a factor approaching zero; wouldn't there be a case for saying irreligion causes poverty, even despite the fact that the measure of wealth is high relative to other entities? For me this implies that materialism can't be a basis of evaluating religion against irreligion. Simply because it would be met by an infinite regress clouded by uncertainty of what's to be meseaured. Finally, why is it taking some of us so long to discover that atheism has flourished most where it's been a religion? Humans can't exist without religion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Without religion there would be anarchy. It's only religion that's holding Kenya together right now.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Ngalaka wrote:Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Just a casual observation;
The fellow who massacred people in Texas USA three days ago was a 'devout' Atheist!
A person can be good or bad, rich or poor regardless of whether or not - they are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Budhist, Animist, Agnostics, Atheist etc I'm glad it is @Ngalaka who is saying this. At last you made the realization. Alhamdullillah! Mbona sikupati!, Uko na maana gani ndugu! @AlphDoti, Still waiting for you to shed light on your assertions on my person. @Ngalaka, what I mean is... We see @burglar talk evil of other religions. And if he can learn from your post, he should now realize that we should not point fingers at the religions... because as much as we have bad Muslims, the Christians have bad Christians, and the atheists have bad atheists. If we take for example Hitler. He killed 6 million people, 2nd world war is the result of Hitler's activities and millions people died. He was a Christian. Of course we would not judge Jesus (peace be upon him) by the behaviour of some few bad Christians who do not represent the teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him). Similarly, we cannot blame the whole community because of some Muslims who are not representing the principles of the religion. In short, in every community there are black sheep but on the basis of these black sheep we can't say that the whole community is wrong. and i said I'm glad to see people dialogue with open mind and open heart because an open heart-mind can receive something.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/24/2012 Posts: 331 Location: Vantage point
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I'm finding this post ultra silly. Look no further but in Kenya. Greed and selfishness is the cause of the malpractices and injustices widespread across the country. That is a moral issue that has nothing to do with whether you call yourself as saint or not. It is not the mouth that defines a person, it is their deeds  ....anyway some people loooove idle talk and I'm not one given to such.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Just a casual observation;
The fellow who massacred people in Texas USA three days ago was a 'devout' Atheist!
A person can be good or bad, rich or poor regardless of whether or not - they are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Budhist, Animist, Agnostics, Atheist etc I'm glad it is @Ngalaka who is saying this. At last you made the realization. Alhamdullillah! Mbona sikupati!, Uko na maana gani ndugu! @AlphDoti, Still waiting for you to shed light on your assertions on my person. @Ngalaka, what I mean is... We see @burglar talk evil of other religions. And if he can learn from your post, he should now realize that we should not point fingers at the religions... because as much as we have bad Muslims, the Christians have bad Christians, and the atheists have bad atheists. If we take for example Hitler. He killed 6 million people, 2nd world war is the result of Hitler's activities and millions people died. He was a Christian. Of course we would not judge Jesus (peace be upon him) by the behaviour of some few bad Christians who do not represent the teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him). Similarly, we cannot blame the whole community because of some Muslims who are not representing the principles of the religion. In short, in every community there are black sheep but on the basis of these black sheep we can't say that the whole community is wrong. and i said I'm glad to see people dialogue with open mind and open heart because an open heart-mind can receive something. With the positive spin you have given it, sounds ok... The highlighted part had stricken me as loaded though. All in all....Cheers brother. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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