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tycho wrote:What exactly is DNA? OK, I'll bite. DNA might turn out to be the information interface between consciousness and observer generated reality. The tool that translates information from a space and time zero quantum substrate into the space-time dominated reality that we know. It will likely provide the proof of my theory that the ultimate nature of the Universe is information and this information can neither be created nor destroyed. It simply is. What can change though is our apprehension of the information through varying our pattern interpretation. You see an antelope because you are socialized to interpret that chunk of information as antelope. A lion looks at the same information and interprets it as a meal. DNA is one of the tools by which we do this - enabling humans to create, change and sustain a vehicle optimized to survive and operate in a largely hostile Earth environment and to 'create' through the interpretation/observation mechanism, all what we then perceive as external reality. I find Robert Lipton's take on epigenesis makes a good argument for this. Certainly that DNA is not just a physiological entity passed on unchanged from parent to child but something dynamic that we change throughout our lives. On the other hand I am still struggling with Robert Lanza's Bioconetricism although it makes intuitive sense. One of my problems with Lanza is his reduction of the human being into a largely biological entity, albeit one with consciousness. I believe we are A (singular) spiritual/energetic supra - entity that happens to own a biological vehicle, for a time, for many uses but largely for the purpose of differentiation, the illusion framework that enables Unity to operate as many. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:What exactly is DNA? OK, I'll bite. DNA might turn out to be the information interface between consciousness and observer generated reality. The tool that translates information from a space and time zero quantum substrate into the space-time dominated reality that we know. It will likely provide the proof of my theory that the ultimate nature of the Universe is information and this information can neither be created nor destroyed. It simply is. What can change though is our apprehension of the information through varying our pattern interpretation. You see an antelope because you are socialized to interpret that chunk of information as antelope. A lion looks at the same information and interprets it as a meal. DNA is one of the tools by which we do this - enabling humans to create, change and sustain a vehicle optimized to survive and operate in a largely hostile Earth environment and to 'create' through the interpretation/observation mechanism, all what we then perceive as external reality. I find Robert Lipton's take on epigenesis makes a good argument for this. Certainly that DNA is not just a physiological entity passed on unchanged from parent to child but something dynamic that we change throughout our lives. On the other hand I am still struggling with Robert Lanza's Bioconetricism although it makes intuitive sense. One of my problems with Lanza is his reduction of the human being into a largely biological entity, albeit one with consciousness. I believe we are A (singular) spiritual/energetic supra - entity that happens to own a biological vehicle, for a time, for many uses but largely for the purpose of differentiation, the illusion framework that enables Unity to operate as many. @Wakanyugi, your words and thoughts are so tempting. And I have to cling fast on method, and paradoxically, worship to ensure that I'm not lost... How can we know what something is, both intensionally, and extensionally. It goes back to Kant I guess, and of course back to a deeper tradition. Can the thing in itself be known and via what mechanism? At the end we have to consider what evidence means and its reliability. Maybe this is where we ought to begin when trying to understand DNA.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Some critical questions and issues to be answered are:
1. What is the structure and process of perception?
2. What is the function of perception and how does perception relate with DNA and RNA activity?
3. What are the patterns of inheritance and genetic transfer?
4. What are the main electro-chemical events involved in genetic transfer?
5. What are the effects of changes in perceived conditions on genetic patterns?
6. What laws can be inferred within a grand unification theory framework?
I have a paper somewhere of how information and intelligence can emerge from a plasma blob- a pre-cellular existence that would suggest that DNA and RNA are storage mechanisms emergent from pre-cellular activity resulting from subatomic particles and probably preponderantly photons.
In conclusion, I'd say that DNA and RNA are highly contingent quantum states that emerge from subatomic interactions determined by the fundamental laws and their corollaries.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:What exactly is DNA? OK, I'll bite. DNA might turn out to be the information interface between consciousness and observer generated reality. The tool that translates information from a space and time zero quantum substrate into the space-time dominated reality that we know. It will likely provide the proof of my theory that the ultimate nature of the Universe is information and this information can neither be created nor destroyed. It simply is. What can change though is our apprehension of the information through varying our pattern interpretation. You see an antelope because you are socialized to interpret that chunk of information as antelope. A lion looks at the same information and interprets it as a meal. DNA is one of the tools by which we do this - enabling humans to create, change and sustain a vehicle optimized to survive and operate in a largely hostile Earth environment and to 'create' through the interpretation/observation mechanism, all what we then perceive as external reality. I find Robert Lipton's take on epigenesis makes a good argument for this. Certainly that DNA is not just a physiological entity passed on unchanged from parent to child but something dynamic that we change throughout our lives. On the other hand I am still struggling with Robert Lanza's Bioconetricism although it makes intuitive sense. One of my problems with Lanza is his reduction of the human being into a largely biological entity, albeit one with consciousness. I believe we are A (singular) spiritual/energetic supra - entity that happens to own a biological vehicle, for a time, for many uses but largely for the purpose of differentiation, the illusion framework that enables Unity to operate as many. @Wakanyugi, your words and thoughts are so tempting. And I have to cling fast on method, and paradoxically, worship to ensure that I'm not lost... How can we know what something is, both intensionally, and extensionally. It goes back to Kant I guess, and of course back to a deeper tradition. Can the thing in itself be known and via what mechanism? At the end we have to consider what evidence means and its reliability. Maybe this is where we ought to begin when trying to understand DNA. Tycho: first an admission. None of the thoughts I share here are original, or even very 'thoughtful.' I just happen to be obsessed by the need to decipher 'reality' and 'being' and I read a lot on the matter. According to quantum physics, the holographic theory, Biocentricism and many oriental religions, there is no extension state of being. All is intension, based as it is on the act of observation. But spacetime forces on us a framework in which we must order our observed reality in a 3D framework in order to understand it. Thus the illusion of extension, solidity. In fact Bohm, Pribram and Talbot argue that the Universe is a holograpm. A holographic image seems to be a solid 3 dimensional object but in reality it is a projection based on a 2D lamina - the depth we perceive is not real. To extend this thought even further, think of a 3D solid projected on a computer screen. It looks real enough but, in reality, it is basically on ordering of electrons flicking on and off, essentially reality projected from a dimensionless substrate, yet seeming 3D. My musings about about DNA do not seem so far fetched now do they? Of course I could be wrong. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Many questions Tycho. Let me try a few:tycho wrote:Some critical questions and issues to be answered are:
1. What is the structure and process of perception?
In my thinking the structure is based on 'apprehension' of order/pattern and the assignment of meaning to that pattern. The primary tool for doing this is consciousness. Quantum mechanics calls it observation but I think that reference to just one of our senses is rather limited. Blind people can 'observe' (ie create reality) too, so can trees and stones - any matter/energy, the only difference is degree.
2. What is the function of perception and how does perception relate with DNA and RNA activity?
The function of perception is to create reality, by isolating select patterns from an unlimited 'random' potential state and assigning meaning to them. We do this by applying our consciousness (the interpreter). DNA (the projector) is one of the tools through which consciousness is expressed, being both information itself as well as the means by which 3D reality is projected from a quantum substrate that is essentially timeless and dimensionless. The closest analogy I can think of is a computer CPU.
3. What are the patterns of inheritance and genetic transfer?
This one I don't know
4. What are the main electro-chemical events involved in genetic transfer?
This one neither, although I can bet Bruce Lipton has plenty to say about it. By the way he has a new Youtube channel, very interesting.
5. What are the effects of changes in perceived conditions on genetic patterns?
Lipton insists that what you experience changes your genes and sometimes in more significant ways than from inheritance. We are not the slaves of our inheritance. I tend to agree.
6. What laws can be inferred within a grand unification theory framework?
I am increasingly tending towards the belief that we shall never find a theory of everything. Some years back I read up heavily on string theory and specifically quantum gravity. I was disappointed. Most of the writers are peddling BS and hopping that we can not see beyond the long words.
I have a paper somewhere of how information and intelligence can emerge from a plasma blob- a pre-cellular existence that would suggest that DNA and RNA are storage mechanisms emergent from pre-cellular activity resulting from subatomic particles and probably preponderantly photons.
Everything is information, even when when we don't recognize it as such it because we have not risen to the level where we can apprehend the pattern contained within the random order substrate we call Universe or , when we do, we can not assign a meaningful approximation to other reality that make sense to us. But all information is not equal. Some information serves as a tool for translating, projecting or assigning meaning to other information. DNA is one such
In conclusion, I'd say that DNA and RNA are highly contingent quantum states that emerge from subatomic interactions determined by the fundamental laws and their corollaries. Gasp! Does this mean you agree with me? Wow!"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Wakanyugi, I'm not sure to what extents we agree or disagree. Today I took a book on Indian philosophy, and the first part I read elicited some questions for investigation.
The part I read began by stating;
1.That Humanity lives in a constant state of struggle for existence.
2.Humanity must plan and order reality.
3.It is impossible to live without a metaphysic.
4.There can be a direct realization of truth.
I spent some time probing the statements and my answers led me to the 'psychon'. And what I get about the psychon is much and I may need to spend some time to reorder my metaphysic.
But what's emerging is that all ideas in the universe have convergence. I'll go back to the questions and answer them in the light I now reflect...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Some critical questions and issues to be answered are:
1. What is the structure and process of perception?
All living systems perceive but systems higher in their hierarchies may differ in the scopes of perception, and even how codes and utilities for the perception. To perceive is basically to relate.
2. What is the function of perception and how does perception relate with DNA and RNA activity?
To link and relay quantized information for use across and through systems (>4d space-time dimensions).
3. What are the patterns of inheritance and genetic transfer?
I think an Object Oriented model is appropriate here only, patterns move both upstream and downstream because information is arriving at a node from a multidimensional field and also leaving from the node simultaneously.
4. What are the main electro-chemical events involved in genetic transfer?
Too complicated for me at the moment, but a project still in the works.
5. What are the effects of changes in perceived conditions on genetic patterns?
It's difficult to explain at the moment. I have a vague idea and has a lot to do with a grand unification theory.
6. What laws can be inferred within a grand unification theory framework?
The psychonic field may be the unifier of all law. Again consider how file types or classifications can be perceived as psychons, and how all psychons in a program unite in the execution of a program. A grand unification theory would be an interface of rules or codes.
I have a paper somewhere of how information and intelligence can emerge from a plasma blob- a pre-cellular existence that would suggest that DNA and RNA are storage mechanisms emergent from pre-cellular activity resulting from subatomic particles and probably preponderantly photons.
In conclusion, I'd say that DNA and RNA are highly contingent quantum states that emerge from subatomic interactions determined by the fundamental laws and their corollaries.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:
The part I read began by stating;
1.That Humanity lives in a constant state of struggle for existence.
2.Humanity must plan and order reality.
3.It is impossible to live without a metaphysic.
4.There can be a direct realization of truth.
Unless you have forgotten, we have hashed some of these ideas right here on Wazua, with leading the way (BTW what happened to Muriel?). 1.That Humanity lives in a constant state of struggle for existence. Only in as far as resistance/friction is a very important seed for growth and so we tend create struggle as an easy way of securing this resistance. Like going to the gym. You could grow fit by meditating on the weights and machines but it will take very long. The best results come from engaging more actively with the tools you find there. Secondly the human vehicle, subject as it is to the law of thermodynamics, degrades in a fairly predictable way towards death. We seem to be genetically programmed to resist death and thus we struggle against this: a perfectly natural, in fact beneficial, process. Otherwise struggle is not always a given, some of us struggle more than others. 2.Humanity must plan and order reality. Of course, how else can we create reality? The basic background order is random, not meaningless but containing all meaning, all order. Our role is to extract recognize patterns in this background and assign them meaning. The Universe exists only because I/You/We have 'observed' it into being. 3.It is impossible to live without a metaphysic. The human entity is a wonderful creation and contains many different elements - represented in energetic form at different vibration rates. The body is the best known of these as we spend a lot our earthly existence housed in it. But the spirit is equally important and in fact we spend a fair chunk of our lives housed in it too. That is why all humans must sleep or the body dies. It an evolutionary fact that we can not leave without these visits to metaphysical realms. They are more home than the earth is to us.4.There can be a direct realization of truth. This one I don't know."The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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