wazua Tue, Sep 23, 2025
Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In

119 Pages«<89101112>»
KENOL/KOBIL
winston
#181 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 1:28:32 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 4/14/2010
Posts: 806
Location: Nairobi
Importing refined petrol is far cheaper than processing at KPRL (due to inefficiencies, delays in accessing the petrol etc). Hence the Ministry of Energy enforced compulsory processing of crude at KPRL. Without this KPRL will close as no oil company will process crude.

If the processing agreement is terminated and KK is allowed to directly import its quota from overseas, then KK will stand to gain from higher margins on imported refined petrol.

But this scenerio is unlikely as it will create a precedent that will eventually lead to the closure of KPRL.

My two cents is that the Courts/Ministry of Energy/arbitration will not allow this to happen.

BTW: KK also has/used to have a debt (in hundreds of millions) with KPC on similar note to KPRL one (am not refering to the award granted to KK)
Gordon Gekko
#182 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 1:30:38 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 5/27/2008
Posts: 3,760
@vvs there is the 50% rule where half your imports must be refined by KPRL. I don't know if this was changed when Essar got on board.
Regarding run ins, KK don't have a very clean past especially during the powerman's days. But they have substantially got their act together and generally play by the book.
the deal
#183 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 1:33:42 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/25/2009
Posts: 4,534
Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
@ GG who is the majority shareholder @ KK???
VituVingiSana
#184 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 1:48:17 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,261
Location: Nairobi
@the deal - Dont worry about Zim coz KK hasnt lost any cash on the deal... It is a potential market for KK but like all things... one needs patience coz hopefully uncle bob croaks soon!

@GG & Winston - True about 50% but Kenya's needs exceed the 50% produced by KPRL. Used to be 70% but KPRL could not cope!

Also, if KPRL doesn't follow the contract, they will be sued... and if they cut off supplies to KK, add loss of business!!!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Surealligator
#185 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 2:03:12 PM
Rank: User


Joined: 6/27/2008
Posts: 709
Location: Velayat-e Faryab
VituVingiSana wrote:
@the deal - Dont worry about Zim coz KK hasnt lost any cash on the deal... It is a potential market for KK but like all things... one needs patience coz hopefully uncle bob croaks soon!


@VVS

If my memory serves me right, Bob said Engen and KK cannot buy out Shell/BP due to indigenization of Multinational companies. That should be a one week odl news.

@Segman (I know U don't read Wazua)
The Board of Directors has appointed Mr. Jacob.I. Segman as the Chairman of KenolKobil Limited effective 7th April 2010 after being in acting capacity since early 2006.

Mr. Segman has over 30 years’ experience in the oil industry, and is particularly conversant with the African Oil industry. After joining the company in January 1990, he moved progressively in various management positions, through to his appointment as Group Managing Director in 1999. He holds a BA Degree in Economics and an MBA.

If you have an MBA, then, you should know that a Company should not have the CEO being the Chairman at the same time due to conflict of interest. Yes, you have done well for the company but there is a possibility that someone else might do better as a CEO if you want to retain the Chairman's seat (Hoping you don't have shares in the company as Chairmen are supposed to be independent directors).

Or did Segman resign as the CEO? I worry for people who try to reinvent the wheel instead of innovating on it for effficiency.
Go overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
winston
#186 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 2:46:49 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 4/14/2010
Posts: 806
Location: Nairobi
Thought the CEO was Ohana?
Gordon Gekko
#187 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 3:12:45 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 5/27/2008
Posts: 3,760
@the deal, look at the profile (nationalities) of the directors, check out which ones are his inlaws, and figure out who has vast interests in the nationality's home country.
@surealligator, that matter was raised at the AGM and Segman said he is the group CEO,dealing mainly in strategy.
Ohana is the MD for the Kenya operation, like each country has its own MD.
VituVingiSana
#188 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:10:20 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,261
Location: Nairobi
Oh, well... he has delivered all these years... so I am OK
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
nahdy
#189 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:06:05 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 6/29/2006
Posts: 184
VituVingiSana
#190 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:55:03 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,261
Location: Nairobi
nahdy wrote:
http://www.kenolkobil.com/home/default2.php?active_page_id=96&id=223

LOL... Now I am waiting for another arbitration award in favor of KK...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Surealligator
#191 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:15:16 AM
Rank: User


Joined: 6/27/2008
Posts: 709
Location: Velayat-e Faryab
Gordon Gekko wrote:
@surealligator, that matter was raised at the AGM and Segman said he is the group CEO,dealing mainly in strategy.
Ohana is the MD for the Kenya operation, like each country has its own MD.


Ohana is the General Manager, not MD. For all practical purposes, Corporate Governance and Social Responsibility requires shareholders to kick out a character that thinks he is the only one who can run a company as Chairman of the board and at the same time be the CEO (MD). Conflict of interest arises as the board is supposed to hire and ensure management implements the board's strategy. Now, if you are the chairman of a board that is supposed to appoint an MD and you achieve in doing so, who would the MD be answerable to? Ati the chairman can hire and fire the MD while he is the MD himself. Nonsense. Conflict of interest is so much that it becomes a huge loss to shareholders. Enron was there, Palmarat etc and all were brought down by insider irregularities cultivated by the Chairman cum MD. Are we reinventing the wheel all over again.
Go overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
VituVingiSana
#192 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:18:41 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,261
Location: Nairobi
Well, did someone ask or bring that up at KK?

Also, maybe it is just the next step in ensuring succession... i.e. get the MD to become Chairman then ease Ohana (or some other jamaa) into the MD position...

Since I have had a good run with KK, I am not critical of the current set up...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#193 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:26:18 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,261
Location: Nairobi
@surealligator - What's with your location showing as somewhere in Afghanistan???
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mv_ufanisi
#194 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:11:28 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 1/15/2010
Posts: 625
Damn foreign investor keeping this counter depressed. 90% foreign selling everyday - no way are we going up anymore. Asia Financial Crisis might be creeping up on us. We need to have a rule against hot money outflows or we will get BURNED as an economy if Europe takes a real beating and foreign investors dash for the EXITs.
cnn
#195 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:55:16 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 6/17/2009
Posts: 1,622
On the other hand Total gross profit in quarter 1 is 300%up.That is a marker on what to expect of KK at half year.If it goes down to around 90 i would still buy more.
VituVingiSana
#196 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:06:10 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,261
Location: Nairobi
KK must have done very well as well... coz they had a loss in 1Q 2009 as well... and probably made a similar increase in profits in 1Q 2010 (it was hinted at during the AGM)
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Gordon Gekko
#197 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:38:47 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 5/27/2008
Posts: 3,760
Where are these Total numbers? If they are that good maybe they might cover their finance costs and possibly pay 1/= which I'm not expecting.
VituVingiSana
#198 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:49:19 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,261
Location: Nairobi
@GG - Total is paying 1/- dividend for 2009... For 2010, they might return to 2.50... but there is the huge loan/financing they need to cover for Chevron purchase...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#199 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:09:07 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
nahdy wrote:
http://www.kenolkobil.com/home/default2.php?active_page_id=96&id=223

LOL... Now I am waiting for another arbitration award in favor of KK...



LOLApplause
Gordon Gekko
#200 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:46:34 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 5/27/2008
Posts: 3,760
@vvs I've just looked at the numbers. They have paid a very healthy chunk in finance costs, so your payback period of 6 years looks very conservative. Just take a look at the cash flow - it is real cash coming into the company, not paper profits.
Users browsing this topic
Guest (4)
119 Pages«<89101112>»
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Copyright © 2025 Wazua.co.ke. All Rights Reserved.