Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Culture
»
Dropping Swahili as a Subject in Schools.
Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
|
masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:That is very embarassing for a president. A president is the custodian of our values, custom and culture and if his son can't speak kiswahili, i wonder why he insists so much being the president. I got my kids abroad with a non-kenyan woman and my kids speak better kiswahili than that boy from the so called first family We need this language - pretty soon everyone will be reading from a phone when they wish to communicate with others. I don't even think most of you understand the CULTURAL value of Swahili... Exactly Masukuma. We kenyans dont appreciate that, we are among the few black people, that have a national language THAT IS OURS AND NOT PIDGIN, that is culturally very rich. I think only Igbo can parallel Kiswahili, when it comes to richness of a language in africa We need to preserve it,speak it right and write it right grammatically.If Uhuru had senses he would have long time found a tutor for his children. He has the money,doesn't he?Uhuru pretends to hate everything that is western yet his children can't converse, in what in future, is going to africa's lingua franca I wish people travelled around and understood how special to us and africa in general Swahili is!! Everytime i meet a European who speaks Swahili,They always tell me"Nyinyi Wakenya hamfahamu Kiswahili..".Very painful to hear that. I consider Kiswahili my first language and it was very important for me that my kids converse in it
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
|
Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:That is very embarassing for a president. A president is the custodian of our values, custom and culture and if his son can't speak kiswahili, i wonder why he insists so much being the president. I got my kids abroad with a non-kenyan woman and my kids speak better kiswahili than that boy from the so called first family We need this language - pretty soon everyone will be reading from a phone when they wish to communicate with others. I don't even think most of you understand the CULTURAL value of Swahili... Exactly Masukuma. We kenyans dont appreciate that, we are among the few black people, that have a national language THAT IS OURS AND NOT PIDGIN, that is culturally very rich. I think only Igbo can parallel Kiswahili, when it comes to richness of a language in africa We need to preserve it,speak it right and write it right grammatically.If Uhuru had senses he would have long time found a tutor for his children. He has the money,doesn't he?Uhuru pretends to hate everything that is western yet his children can't converse, in what in future, is going to africa's lingua franca I wish people travelled around and understood how special to us and africa in general Swahili is!! Everytime i meet a European who speaks Swahili,They always tell me"Nyinyi Wakenya hamfahamu Kiswahili..".Very painful to hear that. I consider Kiswahili my first language and it was very important for me that my kids converse in it What about gikuyu? FYI kiswahili is also a foreign language that was borne out of the cohabitation of Arabs and bantus at the east African coast. Why should you praise such an infidel language, a language of umalaya that developed when mwarabu wanted Bantu pucci and not your original one, the language of your forefathers?
|
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
|
hardwood wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:That is very embarassing for a president. A president is the custodian of our values, custom and culture and if his son can't speak kiswahili, i wonder why he insists so much being the president. I got my kids abroad with a non-kenyan woman and my kids speak better kiswahili than that boy from the so called first family We need this language - pretty soon everyone will be reading from a phone when they wish to communicate with others. I don't even think most of you understand the CULTURAL value of Swahili... Exactly Masukuma. We kenyans dont appreciate that, we are among the few black people, that have a national language THAT IS OURS AND NOT PIDGIN, that is culturally very rich. I think only Igbo can parallel Kiswahili, when it comes to richness of a language in africa We need to preserve it,speak it right and write it right grammatically.If Uhuru had senses he would have long time found a tutor for his children. He has the money,doesn't he?Uhuru pretends to hate everything that is western yet his children can't converse, in what in future, is going to africa's lingua franca I wish people travelled around and understood how special to us and africa in general Swahili is!! Everytime i meet a European who speaks Swahili,They always tell me"Nyinyi Wakenya hamfahamu Kiswahili..".Very painful to hear that. I consider Kiswahili my first language and it was very important for me that my kids converse in it What about gikuyu? FYI kiswahili is also a foreign language that was borne out of the cohabitation of Arabs and bantus at the east African coast. Why should you praise such an infidel language, a language of umalaya that developed when mwarabu wanted Bantu pucci and not your original one, the language of your forefathers? @Hardwood sometimes it is hard to believe you are doing a PHD. FYI Kiswahili is not a fusion of Arabic and Bantu languages. Kiswahili is a typical Bantu language just like anyother bantu language. It is Prof Mazrui who propagated the false theory that Kiswahili came about as a fusion of both tribes. Kiswahili was there before the arabs. Kikuyu is not to be compared with kiswahili. Kikuyu is just a mere tribal language, that is not rich at all compared to kiswahili and Igbo. What can you achieve with kikuyu?
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
|
fullikenian wrote:@Hardwood sometimes it is hard to believe you are doing a PHD. FYI Kiswahili is not a fusion of Arabic and Bantu languages. Kiswahili is a typical Bantu language just like anyother bantu language. It is Prof Mazrui who propagated the false theory that Kiswahili came about as a fusion of both tribes. Kiswahili was there before the arabs. Kikuyu is not to be compared with kiswahili. Kikuyu is just a mere tribal language, that is not rich at all compared to kiswahili and Igbo. What can you achieve with kikuyu? 1. What do you mean by Kikuyu is not rich as compared to Kiswahili and Igbo? 2. How is Kiswahili just a Bantu language? While it's dominated by largely Bantu words Arabic words are very many.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
|
Lolest! wrote:fullikenian wrote:@Hardwood sometimes it is hard to believe you are doing a PHD. FYI Kiswahili is not a fusion of Arabic and Bantu languages. Kiswahili is a typical Bantu language just like anyother bantu language. It is Prof Mazrui who propagated the false theory that Kiswahili came about as a fusion of both tribes. Kiswahili was there before the arabs. Kikuyu is not to be compared with kiswahili. Kikuyu is just a mere tribal language, that is not rich at all compared to kiswahili and Igbo. What can you achieve with kikuyu? 1. What do you mean by Kikuyu is not rich as compared to Kiswahili and Igbo? 2. How is Kiswahili just a Bantu language? While it's dominated by largely Bantu words Arabic words are very many. Lets talk about Swahili words in English and compare them with Arabic words in Swahili. Safari in swahili is exactly the same word in English, the game Jenga - which is literally building some can argue Manyatta or Boma as well Lets talk about "arabic" words in Swahili... which ones Salamu - Salam... it's been Bantu-nized Kitabu - Kitab Wakili - Wakil e.t.c. unlike swahili words that got adopted in English and remain the same - Arabic words that were adopted in Swahili changed! It's almost in the same way the French words in English after the Norman invasion were kept https://en.wikipedia.org..._words_of_French_origin
dare you say that the word "money" or "officer" or "table" is not english! it's not OLD ENGLISH but is ENGLISH! The richness of a language is simply increased by it's reach! Kikuyu's richness cannot be compared to Swahili's richness - do you have the word X ray in Kikuyu? the last time I checked (more that 10 years ago ) Password was "karitwa ka hitho" <- a "description" not a "word" for password. Lastly, Who other than native Kikuyu speakers have adapted it as theirs? Swahili like Arabic, like French like Spanish or Portuguese and English has more non-native speakers than native speakers. i.e. more people learn it as a second language than those that were born speaking it! now that's the classiness of a language - how well accepted by others it is! in that regard Swahili is not even in the same class as Mandarin - the language with the most native speakers! Kiswahili kitukuzwe! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
|
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
|
Just to add to what Masukuma has written. The fact that Swahili has arabic words, it does not make it Arabic. English has so many infuence from german, does this now make english,german?If english was to be considered german because of these influences, how would you describe english having found out that it is also heavily influenced by greece, french, italian and even swahili. Swahili has alot of german words too, for example Shule, Mananasi etc. Portuguese influence like bendera, meza etc. Persian words like gari. If kiswahili was arabic just because it contains some arabic words, then it should also be considered german and portuguese too. For a language to be considered rich, it must have lots of similes, proverbs, metaphors and its grammar must be well developed and dynamic. Kikuyu and luo and other kenyan tribes are not that rich considering this criteria.Like i wrote before, it is only Swahili and igbo that fulfill this criteria. Actually, Igbo is the only tribe in africa that can be called a nation, the rest are mere tribes. Kiswahili tibim!!, Kiswahili tialala!!
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,721
|
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
|
Fullykenyan wrote:hardwood wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:That is very embarassing for a president. A president is the custodian of our values, custom and culture and if his son can't speak kiswahili, i wonder why he insists so much being the president. I got my kids abroad with a non-kenyan woman and my kids speak better kiswahili than that boy from the so called first family We need this language - pretty soon everyone will be reading from a phone when they wish to communicate with others. I don't even think most of you understand the CULTURAL value of Swahili... Exactly Masukuma. We kenyans dont appreciate that, we are among the few black people, that have a national language THAT IS OURS AND NOT PIDGIN, that is culturally very rich. I think only Igbo can parallel Kiswahili, when it comes to richness of a language in africa We need to preserve it,speak it right and write it right grammatically.If Uhuru had senses he would have long time found a tutor for his children. He has the money,doesn't he?Uhuru pretends to hate everything that is western yet his children can't converse, in what in future, is going to africa's lingua franca I wish people travelled around and understood how special to us and africa in general Swahili is!! Everytime i meet a European who speaks Swahili,They always tell me"Nyinyi Wakenya hamfahamu Kiswahili..".Very painful to hear that. I consider Kiswahili my first language and it was very important for me that my kids converse in it What about gikuyu? FYI kiswahili is also a foreign language that was borne out of the cohabitation of Arabs and bantus at the east African coast. Why should you praise such an infidel language, a language of umalaya that developed when mwarabu wanted Bantu pucci and not your original one, the language of your forefathers? @Hardwood sometimes it is hard to believe you are doing a PHD. FYI Kiswahili is not a fusion of Arabic and Bantu languages. Kiswahili is a typical Bantu language just like anyother bantu language. It is Prof Mazrui who propagated the false theory that Kiswahili came about as a fusion of both tribes. Kiswahili was there before the arabs. Kikuyu is not to be compared with kiswahili. Kikuyu is just a mere tribal language, that is not rich at all compared to kiswahili and Igbo. What can you achieve with kikuyu? I hope the PHD will somehow change @Hardwood mentality to view the world in a different manner. There is something called diversity which I think lacks. Hopefully, interactions with professors and other students from diverse backgrounds will induce his inclusive sense.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
|
AlphDoti wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:hardwood wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:That is very embarassing for a president. A president is the custodian of our values, custom and culture and if his son can't speak kiswahili, i wonder why he insists so much being the president. I got my kids abroad with a non-kenyan woman and my kids speak better kiswahili than that boy from the so called first family We need this language - pretty soon everyone will be reading from a phone when they wish to communicate with others. I don't even think most of you understand the CULTURAL value of Swahili... Exactly Masukuma. We kenyans dont appreciate that, we are among the few black people, that have a national language THAT IS OURS AND NOT PIDGIN, that is culturally very rich. I think only Igbo can parallel Kiswahili, when it comes to richness of a language in africa We need to preserve it,speak it right and write it right grammatically.If Uhuru had senses he would have long time found a tutor for his children. He has the money,doesn't he?Uhuru pretends to hate everything that is western yet his children can't converse, in what in future, is going to africa's lingua franca I wish people travelled around and understood how special to us and africa in general Swahili is!! Everytime i meet a European who speaks Swahili,They always tell me"Nyinyi Wakenya hamfahamu Kiswahili..".Very painful to hear that. I consider Kiswahili my first language and it was very important for me that my kids converse in it What about gikuyu? FYI kiswahili is also a foreign language that was borne out of the cohabitation of Arabs and bantus at the east African coast. Why should you praise such an infidel language, a language of umalaya that developed when mwarabu wanted Bantu pucci and not your original one, the language of your forefathers? @Hardwood sometimes it is hard to believe you are doing a PHD. FYI Kiswahili is not a fusion of Arabic and Bantu languages. Kiswahili is a typical Bantu language just like anyother bantu language. It is Prof Mazrui who propagated the false theory that Kiswahili came about as a fusion of both tribes. Kiswahili was there before the arabs. Kikuyu is not to be compared with kiswahili. Kikuyu is just a mere tribal language, that is not rich at all compared to kiswahili and Igbo. What can you achieve with kikuyu? I hope the PHD will somehow change @Hardwood mentality to view the world in a different manner. There is something called diversity which I think lacks. Hopefully, interactions with professors and other students from diverse backgrounds will induce his inclusive sense. Present day Kikuyu has so many English,Maasai and Kiswahili words but language is dynamic. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
|
kaka2za wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:hardwood wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:That is very embarassing for a president. A president is the custodian of our values, custom and culture and if his son can't speak kiswahili, i wonder why he insists so much being the president. I got my kids abroad with a non-kenyan woman and my kids speak better kiswahili than that boy from the so called first family We need this language - pretty soon everyone will be reading from a phone when they wish to communicate with others. I don't even think most of you understand the CULTURAL value of Swahili... Exactly Masukuma. We kenyans dont appreciate that, we are among the few black people, that have a national language THAT IS OURS AND NOT PIDGIN, that is culturally very rich. I think only Igbo can parallel Kiswahili, when it comes to richness of a language in africa We need to preserve it,speak it right and write it right grammatically.If Uhuru had senses he would have long time found a tutor for his children. He has the money,doesn't he?Uhuru pretends to hate everything that is western yet his children can't converse, in what in future, is going to africa's lingua franca I wish people travelled around and understood how special to us and africa in general Swahili is!! Everytime i meet a European who speaks Swahili,They always tell me"Nyinyi Wakenya hamfahamu Kiswahili..".Very painful to hear that. I consider Kiswahili my first language and it was very important for me that my kids converse in it What about gikuyu? FYI kiswahili is also a foreign language that was borne out of the cohabitation of Arabs and bantus at the east African coast. Why should you praise such an infidel language, a language of umalaya that developed when mwarabu wanted Bantu pucci and not your original one, the language of your forefathers? @Hardwood sometimes it is hard to believe you are doing a PHD. FYI Kiswahili is not a fusion of Arabic and Bantu languages. Kiswahili is a typical Bantu language just like anyother bantu language. It is Prof Mazrui who propagated the false theory that Kiswahili came about as a fusion of both tribes. Kiswahili was there before the arabs. Kikuyu is not to be compared with kiswahili. Kikuyu is just a mere tribal language, that is not rich at all compared to kiswahili and Igbo. What can you achieve with kikuyu? I hope the PHD will somehow change @Hardwood mentality to view the world in a different manner. There is something called diversity which I think lacks. Hopefully, interactions with professors and other students from diverse backgrounds will induce his inclusive sense. Present day Kikuyu has so many English,Maasai and Kiswahili words but language is dynamic. An Englishman speaks in his native English language. The same with the Frenchman, German, Japanese, Chinese, Arab etc. And they do so because they believe that no language is superior to the other. So why should an okuyo be forced to express himself not in his language gikuyu but in an alien language from somewhere in the distant east African coast called kiswahili?
|
|
|
Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Culture
»
Dropping Swahili as a Subject in Schools.
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
|