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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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Oy! some of us cannot be helped...I prefer to step out of my house and see the mama mboga, the mbembe and the makaa guy.
I find some of these resorts and isolated neighborhoods sterile and lifeless--Kila Nyani na stare zake
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/12/2016 Posts: 39 Location: Nairobi
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Karen was more isolated on the past, but only fairly recently with the new arrivals & their conspicuous consumption habits have thugs started terrorising residents for hours which I am sure has contributed to the exodus from some of those 0.5acre & 1 acre lots for safer apartments & gated communities.
A key feature of the isolated Mzungu lifestyle is gun ownership and being an expert handler like the late Delamere whose aim was unerring. Any robber would need to have a serious death wish to mess with them. The new money & their offspring seem more keen on drunkenly terrorizing fellow revellers in clubs with their guns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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 [/quote] You mean this is Karen,sad green is everything, I have done a few houses in Vipingo where some of the karen Mzungus ran to, in vipingo when you buy an acre of land your agreement states that you can only put up a house covering at-most 20X20 meters, a certain height and thats it, the rest must be green even though it's yours, few years now the place looks amazing not because of the houses but because of the green, the access roads are the type with 2 tire tracks and grass in between works very well, no need to cover the soil with full cabro. To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/16/2007 Posts: 2,114
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Looks rather bland...why not build fewer houses,have some greenery and then increase the price? hardwood wrote:The old vs new karen. All the trees are gone. Also gone are the warthogs, monkeys, birds etc. And replaced with concrete and cabro in so called gated communities. Not even a patch of grass or greenery.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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kayhara wrote:You mean this is Karen,sad green is everything, I have done a few houses in Vipingo where some of the karen Mzungus ran to, in vipingo when you buy an acre of land your agreement states that you can only put up a house covering at-most 20X20 meters, a certain height and thats it, the rest must be green even though it's yours, few years now the place looks amazing not because of the houses but because of the green, the access roads are the type with 2 tire tracks and grass in between works very well, no need to cover the soil with full cabro. Yes its karen. Bogani palms. Houses going for 130m. Unbelievable. https://www.villacareken...OGANI-PALM---KAREN-crm/
There are even multifamily homes nowadays like the one below. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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chiaroscuro wrote:shanoka wrote:Someone told me most of the jungus who used to live in Karen left because of the influx of "others" into the area. Is this true? Where did they go? When people started subdividing their 5-acre plots into 1-acres and later into halves, the luster of Karen faded and those who value green suburbia moved out. It has nothing to do with race. It's just a question of your definition of "peaceful environment" Same has happened in Kilimani, Kileleshwa and Lavington. Muthaiga is still holding out but only time will tell. Very true.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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You mean this is Karen,sad green is everything, I have done a few houses in Vipingo where some of the karen Mzungus ran to, in vipingo when you buy an acre of land your agreement states that you can only put up a house covering at-most 20X20 meters, a certain height and thats it, the rest must be green even though it's yours, few years now the place looks amazing not because of the houses but because of the green, the access roads are the type with 2 tire tracks and grass in between works very well, no need to cover the soil with full cabro. [/quote] How much does an acre go for in vipingo?. The old Karen is my dream retirement home. when my grandchildren visit during school holidays , they can play in my garden. showing a different side of africa than what they see on tv. This is what my parents in law did and the family is very grateful to them. You have enough space for kids to play and it is all green.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2015 Posts: 682
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hardwood wrote:kayhara wrote:You mean this is Karen,sad green is everything, I have done a few houses in Vipingo where some of the karen Mzungus ran to, in vipingo when you buy an acre of land your agreement states that you can only put up a house covering at-most 20X20 meters, a certain height and thats it, the rest must be green even though it's yours, few years now the place looks amazing not because of the houses but because of the green, the access roads are the type with 2 tire tracks and grass in between works very well, no need to cover the soil with full cabro. Yes its karen. Bogani palms. Houses going for 130m. Unbelievable. https://www.villacareken...OGANI-PALM---KAREN-crm/
Those are million dollar houses?! 
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Mike Ock wrote:hardwood wrote:kayhara wrote:You mean this is Karen,sad green is everything, I have done a few houses in Vipingo where some of the karen Mzungus ran to, in vipingo when you buy an acre of land your agreement states that you can only put up a house covering at-most 20X20 meters, a certain height and thats it, the rest must be green even though it's yours, few years now the place looks amazing not because of the houses but because of the green, the access roads are the type with 2 tire tracks and grass in between works very well, no need to cover the soil with full cabro. Yes its karen. Bogani palms. Houses going for 130m. Unbelievable. https://www.villacareken...OGANI-PALM---KAREN-crm/
Those are million dollar houses?! Add another $250,000  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/8/2013 Posts: 126
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You mean this is Karen,sad green is everything, I have done a few houses in Vipingo where some of the karen Mzungus ran to, in vipingo when you buy an acre of land your agreement states that you can only put up a house covering at-most 20X20 meters, a certain height and thats it, the rest must be green even though it's yours, few years now the place looks amazing not because of the houses but because of the green, the access roads are the type with 2 tire tracks and grass in between works very well, no need to cover the soil with full cabro. [/quote] Halafu those Houses are soo huge and ugly, small windows, cheap and basic materials like those in the kitchen, no green space.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/21/2017 Posts: 33
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[/quote] I just threw up in my mouth.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/21/2017 Posts: 33
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Surething wrote:Karen was more isolated on the past, but only fairly recently with the new arrivals & their conspicuous consumption habits have thugs started terrorising residents for hours which I am sure has contributed to the exodus from some of those 0.5acre & 1 acre lots for safer apartments & gated communities.
A key feature of the isolated Mzungu lifestyle is gun ownership and being an expert handler like the late Delamere whose aim was unerring. Any robber would need to have a serious death wish to mess with them. The new money & their offspring seem more keen on drunkenly terrorizing fellow revellers in clubs with their guns. So as a middle class person, is moving out there really an option? Or is this really just a an old money mzungu option... Is it safer being in the middle of nowhere, just you and your gun, surrounded by likely poorer communities? Apart from that, the thought of living in a green place with fresh air in a ranch house is very appealing. Not in a huge, cold, echoing mansion...but the isolation and distance from the rest of my immediate family and friends would be a drawback.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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kayhara wrote:lochaes wrote:shanoka wrote:Someone told me most of the jungus who used to live in Karen left because of the influx of "others" into the area. Is this true? Where did they go? walienda upcountry, Nanyuki, Nakuru, Naivasha e.t.c I have one good example a tenderprenuer landed some serious money, decided to upgrade from eastlands to Muthaiga he got blocked by the residents association there because of BECAUSE, he headed fro karen got 1 acre with mature trees and several mzungu neighbours enjoying the forest like environment, okay the problem started when the guy decide to build his mansion he forgot that karen is good because of the trees, he decided to chop up the whole one acre clear every plant, then get an architect to design the mansion, I refused, the mzungus tried going to NCC, NEMA etc but they didn't succeed in stopping the destruction of trees upto 100 years old, so they decided to leave the guy now ives in a stupendous mansion with a cabro paved yard a full acre of cabro paved with car shades instead of trees, he is lonely because all his neighbor moved and left their land to overgrow, the poor guy is planning to move into an apartment for security fears due to the isolation  one acre of Cabro...
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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Karen When an acre was 15 pounds:
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/16/2017 Posts: 20
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Dahatre wrote:Karen When an acre was 15 pounds:
Yes. Profit more than 100% because cost of acquisition was almot nil....to the settlers that it.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/21/2017 Posts: 33
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Jon_Gray wrote:Dahatre wrote:Karen When an acre was 15 pounds:
Yes. Profit more than 100% because cost of acquisition was almot nil.... to the settlers that it. Yep, Africans didn't have that type of dough.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/21/2017 Posts: 33
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 398 Location: Where everyone knows you
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You mean this is Karen,sad green is everything, I have done a few houses in Vipingo where some of the karen Mzungus ran to, in vipingo when you buy an acre of land your agreement states that you can only put up a house covering at-most 20X20 meters, a certain height and thats it, the rest must be green even though it's yours, few years now the place looks amazing not because of the houses but because of the green, the access roads are the type with 2 tire tracks and grass in between works very well, no need to cover the soil with full cabro. [/quote] Hi @ Kayhara. I suppose you are talking about Vipingo Beach Estate. It is true that you can only build a single family home with a maximum foot print of 400 sq m. You can only build a 2 storey house on row 1, 3 storey on row 2. They are now selling rows 3 @ 4. I live there on row 2, with a house that has a foot print of 30 sq m. However, it is 3 storeys diving me a total built area of 90 sq m. The rest of the one acre plot is all garden - apart from the driveway and parking. As the soil is all coral rock & sand, I had to bring in about 30 lorry loads of top soil from Vipingo ridge. I now have a lawn, about 30 different palm trees, bougainvilleas, desert roses, Neem trees, fruit trees etc. Basically anything that grows well at the coast. After living all my life in Nairobi, I don't miss the hustle and bustle of town living. Life is calm, quite and very good.,
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/21/2017 Posts: 33
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MatataMingi wrote:You mean this is Karen,sad green is everything, I have done a few houses in Vipingo where some of the karen Mzungus ran to, in vipingo when you buy an acre of land your agreement states that you can only put up a house covering at-most 20X20 meters, a certain height and thats it, the rest must be green even though it's yours, few years now the place looks amazing not because of the houses but because of the green, the access roads are the type with 2 tire tracks and grass in between works very well, no need to cover the soil with full cabro. Hi @ Kayhara. I suppose you are talking about Vipingo Beach Estate. It is true that you can only build a single family home with a maximum foot print of 400 sq m. You can only build a 2 storey house on row 1, 3 storey on row 2. They are now selling rows 3 @ 4. I live there on row 2, with a house that has a foot print of 30 sq m. However, it is 3 storeys diving me a total built area of 90 sq m. The rest of the one acre plot is all garden - apart from the driveway and parking. As the soil is all coral rock & sand, I had to bring in about 30 lorry loads of top soil from Vipingo ridge. I now have a lawn, about 30 different palm trees, bougainvilleas, desert roses, Neem trees, fruit trees etc. Basically anything that grows well at the coast. After living all my life in Nairobi, I don't miss the hustle and bustle of town living. Life is calm, quite and very good., [/quote] Are you self employed?
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