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BREAKING NEWS......Kadhis Courts are illegal
2012
#111 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:30:34 AM
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Doesn't make sense!!! Those Judges are a creation of the constitution just like the Kadhi courts. The work of the judges is to interpret the constitution not amend or comment on it. I think they've lost it on this one.

If they are removed from the constitution the now ceremonial Sultan of Zanzibar has the right to reclaim the 10 mile strip which was the bargaining chip meaning 10 miles of our coastline will belong to Tanzania.

BBI will solve it
:)
cruso
#112 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:34:24 AM
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@nanfor1, I believe that the ruling did not necessarily amount to declaring the whole constitution illegal as you put it. A constitution is a man written document and can have flows, thats why it allows for amendments. The judges were refering to the inclusion of religious courts in the constitution and funding them by state funds and have interpreted that to be unconstitutional and descriminatory against other religions. Lets not be emotional about this. Atleast for once the constitutional debate has been based on issues, lets stick to issues.
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keraka
#113 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:35:38 AM
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@Masukuma whatever it is! why would you think that your arguments and cheap idle statements would be taken seriuosly.
I have read this thing seral times and nowhere have i seen this draft expressly authorising abortion as u,Ruto n Moi are putting it neither do i see anything wrong on Kadhis courts as long as it does not infringe on my rights and freedom as a christian.
NB On abortion be reminded that this draft also authorises death as punishment for capital offences n isnt that taking away life u can also quote it in ua silly propaganda compaigns.
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#114 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:40:33 AM
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Maybe we are reading too much to a small matter.
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Brewer
#115 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:52:56 AM
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nanfor1 wrote:
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In one stroke of the pen these 3 fools have decided......


No one here is saying they have read the whole ruling. Where have you seen it, give us the link before Nanfor1 calls another person a fool!
nanfor1
#116 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:54:15 AM
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@Njunge

This is not a small matter


The same judges in their ruling accepted that they do not have the power to change the constitution.

In the same ruling they go ahead and say it is illegal to fund or even have the Kadhis court.

The danger is not with the Kadhi's court. It is the fact that some 3 people can decide that they can change the constitution at the same time say that they have no powers to do so.

They themselves have acknowledged that they have no POWER, read RIGHT, to change any constitution. However, they go ahead and set a precedent that will be used for ages to allow judges to change it.

@cruso If the constitution said that all Kenyans will wake up in the morning and pee outside their window, these judges cannot go ahead and say it is wrong. It is their duty keep that peeing in the window clause.

It is up to Kenyans to change a constitution not Judges.

I am saying this as someone who hates the old constitution. It is just an example of the reason why the judiciary in Kenya is just pathetic.

The only good thing is that I can now take them to their own court and say that their mere presence in that court is annoying me and elevating them to higher level than me. They are thus unconstitutional.

Hata wakizima taa
cruso
#117 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:55:56 AM
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@2012 its you who is getting it wrong, from the litle law knowledge I have, as you rightly put it, Judges interpret the law and how on earth can they do that without commenting on it? We should also not forget that in the cause of interpreting the law, Judges make the law by way of setting precedence. Please don't forget that the ten mile coastal strip did not originally belong to the sultans, they came from arabia and colonised the indigenious folk, infact they had no business exchanging it with the British in the first place. The sultan cannot therefore lay claim to the 10 mile stripe.
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masukuma
#118 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:59:58 AM
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@kereka, then you need your eyes checked or make a reference to the abortion debate topic - we have debated that here and lets not lose focus. @2012, if the kadhi's courts are left where they were intended to be i.e. in the 10 miles strip - everyone will be happy. they don't have to push this illegality in mainland.
@nanfor1, don't act like you a shark in a feeding frenzy
Quote:

In one stroke of the pen these 3 fools have decided that

1. It is illegal for the disabled to be given preferential treatment as it may offend the healthy,
2. It is illegal to have a certain number of women in parliament as it will offend men.
3. Affirmative action is illegal as I can hire my whole clan in my business.

As you are busy supporting this comical ruling, please sit down and consider its implications in your life.

the judges did not do any of the above. everyone wants the above.
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masukuma
#119 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:14:52 AM
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we should not be in too much of a hurry so that we willing to legislate illegalities.
this whole scenario reminds me of a certain story of a slave who had a big wound which the children of the master used to poke and if he screams they would be elated and entertained and he was thus a house slave who was well-fed.
after the emancipation proclamation - he refused freedom and choose to continue being a slave and have his wound used as a play thing by the masters children - as long as he was fed.

WE ARE LIBERATED MEN AND WOMEN, WE ARE NOT UNDER ANY LAW OF SULTAN OF ZANZIBAR OR RAILA OR KIBAKI - KENYA IS MARWA!!
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theman192000
#120 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:34:49 AM
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masukuma wrote:
@theman192000, A constitution cannot in one breath lock every other culture, religion and systems of laws in kenya into article 45(4) and force them to act within the constitution and then with the same breath give ONE religion/culture a court to rule over the same matters and using their law and not in accordance to the constitution coz their laws are grafted to the constitution similar to international treaties.
this is an INJUSTICE.
Maasais have a way of life too, Turkanas also. Hindus are a religion and we can all fit into article 45(4).- FYI : this is how TZ handles Muslims.


@ masukuma, Whatever legal issues you have raised may be valid. However the matter I'm addressing is not a legal one but operational.
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