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BREAKING NEWS......Kadhis Courts are illegal
cnn
#76 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:11:22 PM
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Ata waikizima taa....
Much Know
#77 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:13:56 PM
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I won't vote to pay for kadhi courts. Good move high court! Its funny how many can't see a simple contradiction.
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nanfor1
#78 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:28:26 PM
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Much Know wrote:
I won't vote to pay for kadhi courts. Good move high court! Its funny how many can't see a simple contradiction.


I have never used Thika road so I won't pay those taxes. I have no babies in Kenya so I won't pay for the children's court. that argument doesn't deserve a reply.

I am still waiting for someone who can explain to me in clear english how a court can say something in the constitution I really hate is illegal. The constitution is the supreme law of the land, how can a judge decide it is illegal. Under what authority. His being in the court is itself due to the constitution that he is saying is illegal.

Maajabu ya Musa haya. Some of these things can only happen in kenya.




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masukuma
#79 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:28:41 PM
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@muchknow...well put. @nanfor, if i am not mistaken the current constitution does not expressly say that it cannot be questioned in any court.
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masukuma
#80 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:33:08 PM
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@nanfor1, but Thika road does not expressly say i should not use it (its a public road) or say it shall be used by only a certain group of people.
its clear as day that this law is a discriminatory law for all religions and cultures that have their ways of life. in that everyone else has to live in 45(4) except MUSLIMS who can live there and else where.
Its discriminatory.
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masukuma
#81 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:35:31 PM
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only in kenya can people fight to be discriminated upon instead of ensuring that we have a FAIR document.
It doesn't have to be a PERFECT document - it has to be a FAIR AND JUST ONE.
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nanfor1
#82 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:42:50 PM
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I'm sorry Masukuma but this ruling has just reminded Kenyans of the judiciary we have. It won't work. Its gotten the whole internet mad instead.

Even blatantly having a fundamentalist judge in this ruling is unlawful to say the least.

i am still waiting for the sharp guy who is going to tell me what precedent was followed since it seems these 3 have decided that the current constitution we have is illegal. This should be a study in law school.

In the meantime, can we return Kilindini harbour to the Sultan? Or is that illegal too?

Do those celebrating now agree with me that CRE should be banned from all schools since it sets this one religion higher than my aetheist one? Maybe its time we shut down all these christian church colleges since they are saying their religion is superior.

Absolute madness!
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masukuma
#83 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:46:20 PM
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@nanfor1, as long as the Kadhi's courts remain at the coast. everyone is happy - since that was the agreement.
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nanfor1
#84 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:47:46 PM
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masukuma wrote:
@nanfor1, as long as the Kadhi's courts remain at the coast. everyone is happy - since that was the agreement.



Masukuma while at it why not all kikuyus stay in central?

these kind of arguments belong in the trashbin.

Your judges have broken the law and unfortunately it has only energised Yes voters who had forgotten the Moi apologists in the church.

this law will not be implemented in Kenya and on August 4th those 3 judges will be no more. What a day what a day.
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mkenyan
#85 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 5:54:33 PM
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nanfor1 wrote:
I'm sorry Masukuma but this ruling has just reminded Kenyans of the judiciary we have. It won't work. Its gotten the whole internet mad instead.

Even blatantly having a fundamentalist judge in this ruling is unlawful to say the least.

i am still waiting for the sharp guy who is going to tell me what precedent was followed since it seems these 3 have decided that the current constitution we have is illegal. This should be a study in law school.

In the meantime, can we return Kilindini harbour to the Sultan? Or is that illegal too?

Do those celebrating now agree with me that CRE should be banned from all schools since it sets this one religion higher than my aetheist one? Maybe its time we shut down all these christian church colleges since they are saying their religion is superior.

Absolute madness!


nanfor, unfortunately you wont get any 'precedent' from masukuma and company. the fact is, if you take the constitution as the supreme law of the country then you can never question anything it says. all it says should be legal. the constitution says that if any law is inconsistent with it then that law is void to the extent of that inconsistency.

it does not say that there are provisions of the constitution which are more supreme than the other and if anything in the constitution is inconsistent with them then the same are void.

that is a fallacy. have gotten a copy of the ruling and want to see how the good judges have gone about declaring illegal the very document that gives them the power to seat as a constitutional court.

it should be noted that in kenya we have a written constitution, as opposed to the UK where they have a constitution based on the supremacy of parliament and thus the various acts of parliament.
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#86 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 6:03:40 PM
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Kudos masukuma.
mkenyan
#87 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 6:04:50 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:

Mkenyan

Given your argument then what are constitutional courts for?

Or whenever there is a dispute over interpretation of the constitution, who is supposed to give an intepretation that is binding?

Now it's what faith they are!!!!!!


on your first point, when all is said and done, a constitutional court derives its very existence from the constitution and when in interpreting it they declare the very constitution illegal (when all is said and done, that is what they have done) then they in effect they declare the very base in which they stand illegal.

my humble belief is that constitutional court should construe and protect the constitution, not amend it.

to try and make it clearer, when justice ojwang was still a lecturer, there is this student in his 'constitutional theory' class who once referred to judicial precedence as 'judge made laws' and he quickly rebuked him and made it clear to him that judges don't make laws, they merely construe them. put it in context here.

on the religious inclinations of the judge, given that it is the churches that have been most vocal about the inclusion of the kadhi courts in proposed constitution, i do not really need to spell out for you the relevance.
mkenyan
#88 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 6:08:48 PM
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Wendz wrote:
Haiya, I think we better just get used to living with the old constitution and make the best out of it~!!!!! clearly, we arent getting it any time soon.


QFT
nanfor1
#89 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 6:10:32 PM
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mkenyan

what scares me more is a bunch of fake christians going around beaming with glee. These are the same games the judiciary used to play in Moi's era. To these fellows as long as there are no Kadhis courts, Kenya is the land of milk and honey.

Very dangerous fellows these religious nuts.
Hata wakizima taa
Mpenzi
#90 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 6:12:58 PM
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The Constitutional Court had not legislated!! It has simply interpreted the Constitution and come to the conclusion that some of it's provisions are discriminatory. The court was very careful to state that it has no
powers to amend the Constitution however bad it might be - that it is up to Kenyans to do that if they so wish.
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