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Pesa Nane
#21 Posted : Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:57:47 PM
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sparkly wrote:
@Pesa nane please post the balance sheet. Will be intetesting to see the level of loans


Scanty in details...


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sparkly
#22 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 6:45:42 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
sparkly wrote:
@Pesa nane please post the balance sheet. Will be intetesting to see the level of loans


Scanty in details...




@Pesa nane thanks. I can see they borrowed 1.8B in long term funds, used 0.7B to finance assets/ renovations, 0.4B to plug operations gaps and are holding on to 0.7B.

My observations from the scanty BS... Financial situation is precarious and just from a top level look, they will be offering a rights issue within 2 years.
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VituVingiSana
#23 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 10:33:13 AM
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The expansion would have necessitated the increase in debt but the debt load isn't onerous vs the potential benefits. Of course, a PEV like 2007-8 [seems the 2017 results will be fought in court and not in the streets] or a GFC [Global Financial Crisis] or some other event [terrorist attack] can disrupt their business.

@Sparkly - Aga Khan firms [DTB, TPSEA] are known for Rights Issues as they expand. TPSEA has Jubilee as a shareholder and can always tap into the larger AKFED network to cover any shortfall from "other" investors.

Whereas one cannot ascertain the operating future, the past has been a good indicator of the Management's strength and weaknesses. I believe TPSEA should judiciously pick up more properties, at a fair price, in other African countries from AKFED using shares as currency. There is Serena Kigali, Serena Polana (Maputo), etc.
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obiero
#24 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 1:18:03 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
The expansion would have necessitated the increase in debt but the debt load isn't onerous vs the potential benefits. Of course, a PEV like 2007-8 [seems the 2017 results will be fought in court and not in the streets] or a GFC [Global Financial Crisis] or some other event [terrorist attack] can disrupt their business.

@Sparkly - Aga Khan firms [DTB, TPSEA] are known for Rights Issues as they expand. TPSEA has Jubilee as a shareholder and can always tap into the larger AKFED network to cover any shortfall from "other" investors.

Whereas one cannot ascertain the operating future, the past has been a good indicator of the Management's strength and weaknesses. I believe TPSEA should judiciously pick up more properties, at a fair price, in other African countries from AKFED using shares as currency. There is Serena Kigali, Serena Polana (Maputo), etc.

One should read this if interested in TPSEA http://www.businessdaily...64776-lirkn4z/index.html

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Ericsson
#25 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 1:33:24 PM
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obiero wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]The expansion would have necessitated the increase in debt but the debt load isn't onerous vs the potential benefits. Of course, a PEV like 2007-8 [seems the 2017 results will be fought in court and not in the streets] or a GFC [Global Financial Crisis] or some other event [terrorist attack] can disrupt their business.

@Sparkly - Aga Khan firms [DTB, TPSEA] are known for Rights Issues as they expand. TPSEA has Jubilee as a shareholder and can always tap into the larger AKFED network to cover any shortfall from "other" investors.

Whereas one cannot ascertain the operating future, the past has been a good indicator of the Management's strength and weaknesses. I believe TPSEA should judiciously pick up more properties, at a fair price, in other African countries from AKFED using shares as currency. There is Serena Kigali, Serena Polana (Maputo), etc.

One should read this if interested in TPSEA http://www.businessdaily...4776-lirkn4z/index.html[/quote]


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sparkly
#26 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 2:39:35 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]The expansion would have necessitated the increase in debt but the debt load isn't onerous vs the potential benefits. Of course, a PEV like 2007-8 [seems the 2017 results will be fought in court and not in the streets] or a GFC [Global Financial Crisis] or some other event [terrorist attack] can disrupt their business.

@Sparkly - Aga Khan firms [DTB, TPSEA] are known for Rights Issues as they expand. TPSEA has Jubilee as a shareholder and can always tap into the larger AKFED network to cover any shortfall from "other" investors.

Whereas one cannot ascertain the operating future, the past has been a good indicator of the Management's strength and weaknesses. I believe TPSEA should judiciously pick up more properties, at a fair price, in other African countries from AKFED using shares as currency. There is Serena Kigali, Serena Polana (Maputo), etc.

One should read this if interested in TPSEA http://www.businessdaily...4776-lirkn4z/index.html[/quote]


woiii kwisha hao.


TPS is reducing exposure to Kenya by going into Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Mozambique and Burundi. Kenya has the lowest margins at 6% while Uganda and Rwanda are as high as 12%.

Nevertheless is is impressive that TPS is able to return a profit with average occupancy of 40% (see the FY 2016 Financials).

The only blot is the spike in debts in 1H2017 which i hope is lower priced than the 23% corporate bond, now retired.
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wa P
#27 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 8:02:23 PM
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Airbnb is a fat elephant in the room here
murchr
#28 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 8:04:10 PM
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wa P wrote:
Airbnb is a fat elephant in the room here


I have waited for someone to say this. Right on point. As long as they do not render Airbnb irrelevant then the results will keep stinking.
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obiero
#29 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 8:06:11 PM
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murchr wrote:
wa P wrote:
Airbnb is a fat elephant in the room here


I have waited for someone to say this. Right on point. As long as they do not render Airbnb irrelevant then the results will keep stinking.

And there is no way that Airbnb shall be irrelevant when you see what is happening in the estates bordering JKIA. Plus the two men have allowed two hotels right inside JKIA plus Hilton Garden Inn right at the exit of JKIA.. TPSEA should better adopt to changing times

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VituVingiSana
#30 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 11:48:39 PM
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TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.
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obiero
#31 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:00:42 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..

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Ebenyo
#32 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:41:28 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..


A business that is seasonal is very volatile in its performance.This group must try a way to bridge the gap between on season and off season.They are very exposed kutegemea tu wazungu na waafrika wenye pesa mingi.Thats not sustainable in the next 100 years.
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obiero
#33 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:32:04 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..


A business that is seasonal is very volatile in its performance.This group must try a way to bridge the gap between on season and off season.They are very exposed kutegemea tu wazungu na waafrika wenye pesa mingi.Thats not sustainable in the next 100 years.

Sarova doing things right http://www.businessdaily...68478-raghnkz/index.html

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VituVingiSana
#34 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:48:12 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..

Hmmm, did you want them to expand like KQ did using lots and lots of debt?
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obiero
#35 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:49:17 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..

Hmmm, did you want them to expand like KQ did using lots and lots of debt?

No. Ownership of the hotels does not necessarily have to be directly. By the way..I thought this was a TPSEA thread

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VituVingiSana
#36 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:55:43 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..

Hmmm, did you want them to expand like KQ did using lots and lots of debt?

No. Ownership of the hotels does not necessarily have to be directly. By the way..I thought this was a TPSEA thread

I am trying to understand your logic. Yes, they can lease [like a certain airline] hotels but there's a lot that goes into it especially operational matters. Systems, staff, working capital, etc

Cashflow - This is key. Firms that expand too soon, too fast eg Nakumatt end up in trouble when they hit operational roadblocks and cashflow constraints.

That said, I think they should have at least another [sensible] high-end location perhaps in Westlands or Runda/Gigiri.
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Ericsson
#37 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:05:01 AM
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Aga Khan has a lot of land within Nairobi.
PDM owned by Aga Khan can build a hotel building and lease out to Serena Hotel.
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VituVingiSana
#38 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:54:50 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Aga Khan has a lot of land within Nairobi.
PDM owned by Aga Khan can build a hotel building and lease out to Serena Hotel.

Getting a building (on lease) is the easy part. Operations (& cash) is where the rubber meets the road.

The "brands" we see are operators not owners eg the Simba Colt guys own Villa Rosa Kempinski, etc.

Serena/TPSEA needs to run/own/lease properties that earn the best ROI rather than where they are located. With the erratic nature of tourism, can TPSEA afford to take on much more debt to expand?

Are returns ex-Kenya better?
Are return ex-Nairobi better?
Does it make sense for TPS to wait to see if one of new units (chains) fail? The resulting outcome could be a cheaper entry point. Look at malls and offices.

As Nakumatt closes its stores or is evicted, Tuskys and Naivas can move in rather than competing with Nakumatt for space.

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Ericsson
#39 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:09:49 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Aga Khan has a lot of land within Nairobi.
PDM owned by Aga Khan can build a hotel building and lease out to Serena Hotel.

Getting a building (on lease) is the easy part. Operations (& cash) is where the rubber meets the road.

The "brands" we see are operators not owners eg the Simba Colt guys own Villa Rosa Kempinski, etc.

Serena/TPSEA needs to run/own/lease properties that earn the best ROI rather than where they are located. With the erratic nature of tourism, can TPSEA afford to take on much more debt to expand?

Are returns ex-Kenya better?
Are return ex-Nairobi better?
Does it make sense for TPS to wait to see if one of new units (chains) fail? The resulting outcome could be a cheaper entry point. Look at malls and offices.

As Nakumatt closes its stores or is evicted, Tuskys and Naivas can move in rather than competing with Nakumatt for space.



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