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Lolest!
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:34:33 PM
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mobutu123 wrote:
Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.

Maybe we try rotational presidency among different regions?
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Kusadikika
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:22:09 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
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The current transparent way of appointing the chief justice is because of Raila's disagreement with Kibaki.

No it isn't

It goes back to Moi era control of the judiciary and other offices. There was need to create independent institutions


This was published in the Standard on January 28, 2011.

Kibaki appoints Justice Visram as CJ, Prof Muigai AG

Published Fri, January 28th 2011 By STANDARD TEAM
President Kibaki has nominated Justice Alnashir Visram to the position of Chief Justice amid a standoff with Prime Minister Raila Odinga. President Kibaki also nominated Prof Githu Muigai as Attorney General and Kioko Kilukumi Director of Public Prosecutions. Kibaki appoints Prof. Githu Muigai as the new Attorney General.
A dispatch from PPS stated that the President after consultation with the Prime Minister Raila Odinga also appointed William Kirwa as Controller of Budget. President Kibaki made the key appointments in the judiciary, barely one hour after Kenya set in motion the process of deferral of cases filed against six of its citizens at the International Criminal Court (ICC). The timing of the appointment of the new Chief Justice (CJ), the Attorney General (AG) and Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) is calculated to convince the international community about Kenya’s commitment to judicial reforms.
It has been argued that the ICC should handle the cases because the country lacks a credible judicial capable of dispensing justice. Just before the release of the names from State House by Presidential Press Service, Lands Minister James Orengo, a close ally of the Prime Minister called journalists to his office to protest that Raila was not consulted in the nominations.   Orengo urged the President to embrace consultations and claimed that the Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura had confirmed the nomination of Justice Visram as the Chief Justice, with Githu Muigai as the Attorney General and Kioko Kilukumi as the Director of Public Prosecution. "I have been forced to call this press conference at this hour in regard to the impending appointments to various institutions of the Government," said Orengo at 8.30 PM on Friday. He said ODM was equally taken by surprise with the appointment of Major General Michael Gichangi as the Director General of the National Security Intelligence Service last week. He said: "The Head of Public Service Francis Muthaura called PM’s Permanent Secretary Dr Mohammed Isahakia this afternoon to tell him about the appointments saying they were supposed to be announced anytime, but we are not going to accept them because there was no consultations and the PM who is in Ethiopia attending AU Summit meeting is not aware."

Lolest!
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:30:19 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
The current transparent way of appointing the chief justice is because of Raila's disagreement with Kibaki.

No it isn't

It goes back to Moi era control of the judiciary and other offices. There was need to create independent institutions


This was published in the Standard on January 28, 2011.

Kibaki appoints Justice Visram as CJ, Prof Muigai AG

Published Fri, January 28th 2011 By STANDARD TEAM
President Kibaki has nominated Justice Alnashir Visram to the position of Chief Justice amid a standoff with Prime Minister Raila Odinga. President Kibaki also nominated Prof Githu Muigai as Attorney General and Kioko Kilukumi Director of Public Prosecutions. Kibaki appoints Prof. Githu Muigai as the new Attorney General.
A dispatch from PPS stated that the President after consultation with the Prime Minister Raila Odinga also appointed William Kirwa as Controller of Budget. President Kibaki made the key appointments in the judiciary, barely one hour after Kenya set in motion the process of deferral of cases filed against six of its citizens at the International Criminal Court (ICC). The timing of the appointment of the new Chief Justice (CJ), the Attorney General (AG) and Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) is calculated to convince the international community about Kenya’s commitment to judicial reforms.
It has been argued that the ICC should handle the cases because the country lacks a credible judicial capable of dispensing justice. Just before the release of the names from State House by Presidential Press Service, Lands Minister James Orengo, a close ally of the Prime Minister called journalists to his office to protest that Raila was not consulted in the nominations.   Orengo urged the President to embrace consultations and claimed that the Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura had confirmed the nomination of Justice Visram as the Chief Justice, with Githu Muigai as the Attorney General and Kioko Kilukumi as the Director of Public Prosecution. "I have been forced to call this press conference at this hour in regard to the impending appointments to various institutions of the Government," said Orengo at 8.30 PM on Friday. He said ODM was equally taken by surprise with the appointment of Major General Michael Gichangi as the Director General of the National Security Intelligence Service last week. He said: "The Head of Public Service Francis Muthaura called PM’s Permanent Secretary Dr Mohammed Isahakia this afternoon to tell him about the appointments saying they were supposed to be announced anytime, but we are not going to accept them because there was no consultations and the PM who is in Ethiopia attending AU Summit meeting is not aware."


Yes. All above happened and there was much noise

BUT the control of the executive over independent offices and organs was the push behind having more elaborate ways of hiring and firing the holders of those offices

Clamour started in the 90s
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simonkabz
#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:41:49 PM
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Yeah. People must stop giving undue credit to Riek.
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tycho
#15 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:05:09 PM
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Let me start by defining 'democracy': It is a method for organizing a society and distributing resources that ascribes to all inclusiveness inspite of antagonism and conflict.

So if a body politic experiences the above then it can say that democracy works for it. No matter what and how the conflicts within it appear and are resolved.

That would mean that the problem with democracy is that it takes for granted that people have an easy access to the knowledge and facilities of a good life.

Indeed, this belief/assumption is reinforced when we think of 'neo-liberal' ideas that infer that the market is an indicator of the highest good for a body politic.

But is our experience of human nature proof of such assumptions? From massive inequalities to erosion of culture even among the elite - for example, elites have tended to support unsustainable economies and ecologies- we have instances in which humanity has consistently shown that there's evil and that it's rampant.

What solution does democracy offer to the problem of evil? None. Instead, democracy sustains evil, and that's why it's easy for us to despair of it. In our international system, democracy is inapplicable among the nation states.

Democracy simply, doesn't work for freedom and it's form of governance can't help but be evil.
grolut
#16 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:09:08 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.

Maybe we try rotational presidency among different regions?


I agree, something like Switzerland's using one rep from each of the former Provinces.
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Tokyo
#17 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:15:54 AM
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The voters lacks a clear understanding of responsibility bestowed to them by our constitution. Maybe we should start there. It will sought out any outstanding misconceptions. Raila is so much obsessed with presidency but if you analyse his backyard , democracy changes its meaning
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mobutu123
#18 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:37:30 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
The voters lacks a clear understanding of responsibility bestowed to them by our constitution. Maybe we should start there. It will sought out any outstanding misconceptions. Raila is so much obsessed with presidency but if you analyse his backyard , democracy changes its meaning

The political elite are our main undoing. they have created propaganda over the years that has led the voter to believe that the only way to better living is to have one of 'their own' at state house.
Before the current crop of politicians are tamed,we are in this for quite sometime.
As for raila's obsession with power,i think it has been good for the country.As @kusadikisa said he has probably contributed more to democracy
than any politician we have today.maybe we should pray that he never gets to the house on the hill so that he continues his good fight for a better country.
hardwood
#19 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:07:34 AM
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mobutu123 wrote:
Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.


I agree. We should make kenya a kingdom/monarchy with Ngina the Queen mother, and Ohuru the King. Then in future have ohuru II, Ohuru III, Ohuru IV etc etc. That way the country can know our leaders for the next several hundred years and stop this unhealthy political competition and we can concentrate on things that matter like the economy. Kings and queens made European countries evolve, industrialize and become powerful, just what Kenya needs.
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