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mobutu123
#1 Posted : Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:28:31 PM
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Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.
obiero
#2 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 5:45:06 PM
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mobutu123 wrote:
Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.

Hehe. With a stage name like mobutu how democratic are you
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mobutu123
#3 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 6:22:43 PM
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obiero wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.

Hehe. With a stage name like mobutu how democratic are you

@obiero,look at wat democracy is doing to our country.may be we need a dictator kaa mobutu.
Amores
#4 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 9:52:39 PM
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mobutu123 wrote:
obiero wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.

Hehe. With a stage name like mobutu how democratic are you

@obiero,look at wat democracy is doing to our country.may be we need a dictator kaa mobutu.

what id it doing?
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mobutu123
#5 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 11:46:34 PM
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Amores wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
obiero wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.

Hehe. With a stage name like mobutu how democratic are you

@obiero,look at wat democracy is doing to our country.may be we need a dictator kaa mobutu.

what id it doing?

Democracy has been hailed as the best system of governance enabling a nation have prosperity,empowerment and cohesion.
our kenyan example makes this statement a fallacy.

we are divided along tribal lines,hate each other,are intolerant,preach peace while holding a machete in one hand and we proudly call ourselves democrats. seriously?
masukuma
#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:41:03 AM
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mobutu123 wrote:
Amores wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
obiero wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.

Hehe. With a stage name like mobutu how democratic are you

@obiero,look at wat democracy is doing to our country.may be we need a dictator kaa mobutu.

what id it doing?

Democracy has been hailed as the best system of governance enabling a nation have prosperity,empowerment and cohesion.
our kenyan example makes this statement a fallacy.

we are divided along tribal lines,hate each other,are intolerant,preach peace while holding a machete in one hand and we proudly call ourselves democrats. seriously?

You really think we hate each other? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Tembeeni muone!!
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Kusadikika
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:01:22 AM
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masukuma wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
Amores wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
obiero wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
Am not sure if elections are doing any service to this great country.The outcome leaves us more divided,the 'victors' ride rough-shoddy over the 'losers' and the country seems to be in some sought of state of emergency to the end.May be we should look for another way of choosing our so called leaders. tujaribu kingdom kama saudi arabia.

Hehe. With a stage name like mobutu how democratic are you

@obiero,look at wat democracy is doing to our country.may be we need a dictator kaa mobutu.

what id it doing?

Democracy has been hailed as the best system of governance enabling a nation have prosperity,empowerment and cohesion.
our kenyan example makes this statement a fallacy.

we are divided along tribal lines,hate each other,are intolerant,preach peace while holding a machete in one hand and we proudly call ourselves democrats. seriously?

You really think we hate each other? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Tembeeni muone!!


I agree with masukuma you need a different experience to compare with before you are too quick to hate yourself. All societies have clusters within them and in Kenya our clusters happen to be tribe. Other societies have different ones, in India it is castes, in America color, in some places like the UK it may be social class etc. Our cluster system even when we do not feel like it is rather egalitarian. A Luo even the one who does not like a Kikuyu does not feel inferior to the Kikuyu. In fact every ethnic group in Kenya feels superior to all others. If we have hatred for each other it is a hatred of equals.

The other advantage of having tribal clusters is that it masks other more oppressive clustering. A Kikuyu in Kibera has a kinship relation to a Kikuyu in Karen. Even when a few people snob others after acquiring some wealth the tribal bounds would not allow it to go to a point of widespread dehumanizing of one segment of the population. Contrast this with the Caste system in India or in Arabs countries such as Saudi Arabia. In those societies the clustering is such that it eliminates all humanity from certain groups of people.

In America racism is much deeper than our tribalism. Sometimes I feel this tribal sensitivity is a middle class thing. Go to a mjengo where there are many people working and everyone is known by their tribe yet they are not sensitive about it; Mkisii wa mawe, Mjaluo wa kukoroga, Mkamba wa mbao, Mkikuyu wa mfereji etc.
Tokyo
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:30:16 AM
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Well they say we were born in a tribe but the white man forced a country in us. What if we have a semiautonomous lose independent states reflecting our ethnicity. Similar to U.K territories of Scotland and England ? Homogeneous nations do very well
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Kusadikika
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:23:25 PM
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Tokyo wrote:
Well they say we were born in a tribe but the white man forced a country in us. What if we have a semiautonomous lose independent states reflecting our ethnicity. Similar to U.K territories of Scotland and England ? Homogeneous nations do very well


It is too late. We cannot go back and even if we could it would probably not be a good idea. Kenyans tribes are too small in size and territory to form viable states and even assuming they were it would take 100 years of fighting to resolve the boundary issues that would arise. We have no choice but to forge ahead as we are from where we are. I for one think we are doing pretty well. We were under British occupation for 75 years, we have only been independent for 54 years. We are on the right path.

Raila has probably contributed more to Kenya heading in the right direction that Uhuru ever will. He has also been useful to the country more by losing than by winning because he is able to bring a focus to the rules of the game more sharply by challenging them. The difference between the ECK of 2007 and IEBC of 2017 is as clear as night and day. In trying to get to conduct an election that meets Raila's standard of credible we have all benefited. By the time this case has been decided whether UK retains the seat or not something will have been pointed out that will make the next election better. The current transparent way of appointing the chief justice is because of Raila's disagreement with Kibaki.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:33:00 PM
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The current transparent way of appointing the chief justice is because of Raila's disagreement with Kibaki.

No it isn't

It goes back to Moi era control of the judiciary and other offices. There was need to create independent institutions
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