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Glaring Errors in the Draft Constitution
Mpenzi
#1 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 10:57:39 AM
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copy and pasted ....


> PRESS STATEMENT
>
>
> UNACCEPTABLE ERRORS IN THE PROPOSED CONSTITUTION OF KENYA
>
> Whereas the Proposed Constitution of Kenya that was launched by the
> AG is written in British English, there are many foreign words that
> litter the document?s text. The text of the Proposed Constitution
> neither highlights nor provides a glossary of the following foreign
> words:
> a. Article 24(2)(b) the word ?fundmental?
> b. Article 92(i) ? the word ?politcal?
> c. Article 95(4)(c) - ?expediture?
> d. Article 115(3) the word ?amendeds?
> e. Article 173(4) the word ?Judicary?
> f. Article 216(4) the word ?comission?
> g. Article 250(8) the word ?indepenedent?
> h. Article 254(3) the word ?commisssion?
> i. Third Schedule ? In the Oath? for a Cabinet Secretary
> the word ?Presidentfor?
>
> Are the following missing clauses deliberate loopholes for later
> mischievous insertions after the Proposed Constitution is ratified,
> especially given that already we have more than one version of the
> document in circulation?
> a. Article 41(3): Sub-clauses (a), (b), (c) and (d) are missing;
> b. Article 103(1)(e)(i) refers to a Clause 2 which is missing;
> c. Fourth Schedule, Part 1: Clause (27) is missing
> d. Sixth Schedule, Part 6: Sub-Clause (27)(2) is missing
>
> Why are there two Sub-Clauses numbered (b) in Clause 234(3)? Which
> one is binding when reference is made to Clause 234(3)(b)?
>
> What is the meaning of Clause 20(3)(a)? Should the words "does not
> give" be replaced with the word "gives" for it not to undermine the
> mandate of the Judiciary? If it is supposed to stop courts from
> creating new rights and freedoms then it does not say so. What it
> does is to undermine the entire Bill of Rights.
>
> Other glaring mistakes in the Proposed Constitution of Kenya include:
> a. Article 163(1) the phrase ?There is established the
> Supreme Court, which shall consists of?
> b. Article 260 the phrase ??county legislation? means a law
> made by a county government or under under authority conferred by a
> county Assembly?;
>
> We are interrogating the Proposed Constitution of Kenya to audit its
> doctrinal soundness and architectural integrity. That audit has
> already unearthed ninety-three problems. We will release the results
> of our audit to the public when done, hopefully, next week.
>
> It is unacceptable for a document that is going to be the foundation
> of the Republic of Kenya to be so recklessly drafted. Hence, mid
> next week, KEJUDE will petition the Honourable Independent
> Constitutional Dispute Resolution Court seeking, among others,:
> (i) An official declaration that the Proposed Constitution of
> Kenya fails the integrity test and must be redrafted to fix all
> errors, including those not highlighted above; or
> (ii) That an addendum of amendments required to fix the errors
> must be introduced at a multiple question referendum; and
> (iii) That the planned single question YES-NO referendum be
> declared a nullity in toto.
> (iv) That no translations of the original English version of the
> document should be undertaken into any other language until the
> meanings of the foreign words is given.
>
> We, therefore, call upon President Mwai Kibaki and Premier Raila
> Odinga, the Committee of Experts and those organisations and
> individuals currently conducting civic education, the Interim
> Independent Electoral Commission preparing for the planned YES-NO
> referendum, and all those involved in any process aimed at imposing
> this faulty Constitution on Kenyans to immediately stop wasting
> public funds and endangering the Republic. To impose the faulty
> Constitution, that will make Kenya practically ungovernable, is a
> frightening act of war on the people of Kenya.
>
> In the meantime, we call on the Hon. Attorney General Sitswila Amos
> Wako, and the entire team that assisted him edit the said document,
> to immediately own up for failing Kenya in such a monumental way.
>
> Finally, we affirm that we want a new Constitution. But we do not
> think that anything that is not the current constitution is what the
> people of Kenya crave. And, even though we recognise that because
> human beings are not perfect their works cannot be perfect either,
> we strongly believe that not being perfect does not stop us from
> pursuing perfection as an ideal. We have an obligation to try to be
> perfect. Hence, when we come across mistakes, we are bound to
> rectify them, not to learn how to live with them.
>
> Signed:
>
> Okiya Omtatah Okoiti - 0722-684-777
>
> Director,
> Kenyans for Justice and Development (KEJUDE) Trust
> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010
masukuma
#2 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 11:13:03 AM
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very bad workmanship, actually after the draft passes - some of these typos may require a referendum to correct.
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McReggae
#3 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 11:22:18 AM
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Can you also post the draft as printed so that we can ratify your allegations????
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Mpenzi
#4 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 11:23:36 AM
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@masukuma especially the incomprehensible wording of article 20(3)(a)of the draft.
Mpenzi
#5 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 11:32:24 AM
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@McReggae - examples

Clause 20(3)(a)
20. (1) The Bill of Rights applies to all law and binds all State organs
and all persons.
(2) Every person shall enjoy the rights and fundamental freedoms
in the Bill of Rights to the greatest extent consistent with the
nature of the right or fundamental freedom.
(3) In applying a provision of the Bill of Rights, a court shall—
(a) develop the law to the extent that it does not give effect to a right or fundamental freedom; and


Article 41(3): Sub-clauses (a), (b), (c) and (d) are missing;

41(3) Every employer has the right—
(e) to form and join an employers organisation; and
(f) to participate in the activities and programmes of an
employers organisation.

Article 103(1)(e)(i) refers to a Clause 2 which is missing;

103. (1) The office of a member of Parliament becomes vacant—
(a) if the member dies;
(b) if, during any session of Parliament, the member is
absent from eight sittings of the relevant House without
permission, in writing, from the Speaker, and is unable
to offer a satisfactory explanation for the absence to the
relevant committee;
(c) if the member is otherwise removed from office under
this Constitution or legislation enacted under Article 80;
(d) if the member resigns from Parliament in writing to the
Speaker;
(e) if, having been elected to Parliament––
(i) as a member of a political party, the member
resigns from that party or is deemed to have
resigned from the party as determined in
accordance with the legislation
contemplated in clause (2); or
(ii) as an independent candidate, the member
joins a political party;
(f) at the end of the term of the relevant House; or
(g) if the member becomes disqualified for election to
Parliament under Article 99 (2) (d) to (h).
70
(3) Parliament shall enact legislation providing for the
circumstances under which a member of a political party shall
be deemed, for the purposes of clause (1) (e), to have resigned
from the party.

Seeders
#6 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 11:33:24 AM
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ssshhhh! not so loud! we need to move fast and get a new constitution because uncle obama, auntie annan and cucu kriegler have said so.
Brewer
#7 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 11:37:07 AM
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True masukuma about needing a referendum, especially the wording in 20(3)(a) though it could be correct to say the court is left to develop the law on fundamental rights and freedoms where the law is wanting.

McReggae, please get a copy or else we concede there are so many versions of this draft constitution that we would not know which one we are voting for.
nanfor1
#8 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 11:58:32 AM
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I still don't get this particular issue.

On one side you have someone who made a mistake in the copy that was held by those fellows.

on the other side you have people led by one Arap Moi and funded by some nut in the USA who are known to lie and are lying intentionally every day.

no wonder the No campaign is slowly losing air even before the real campaigns start.

If all you see wrong is kadhis courts, fake abortion and fake land issues, then start embracing the new Kenya.

I predict 75% win in the referendum.
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masukuma
#9 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:07:25 PM
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@Brewer, as long as the law being setup does not change the meaning of the law in this Draft (DAFT) constitution.
kwanza when did courts start making laws?
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Seeders
#10 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:08:46 PM
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well said super nanny. seeing moi and pat robertson in everyone opposing the draft is quite insightful.
masukuma
#11 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:15:14 PM
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@Seeders, i stopped answering her with her unfounded claims and jumped-to conclusions.
Seriously - when did courts become law making bodies?
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#12 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:16:18 PM
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The draft constitution is not an English grammar paper. Those typo's are at best embarassing but do not necessarily change the interpretation of the paragraphs or the law.

Further this typo's only confirm what we have known all along, "that the AG is incompetent".

People opposing the constitution for cash and attention will keep cropping up all over the place screaming their heads off.

They may not be kenyans but I think Obama, Annan and Krieglar have more credibility than Ruto and Jirongo. And unfortunately they seem to care about Kenya even more than some Kenyans.

VOTE YES!!!!
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
McReggae
#13 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:23:35 PM
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Some claims here are at best laughable, we got real entertainment to August 4!!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Seeders
#14 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:27:17 PM
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if you oppose the draft, it is because of money and because you hate kenya. if you support it, you care about kenya and you hate money. that is quite a strong case for the constitution if you ask me.
Magigi
#15 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:32:21 PM
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@Obi 1 Kanobi
...well said. I can bet my last cent that the NO team has lost it already if all they can pinpoint in the draft are spelling errors. I know if spelling mistakes were checked in all the exams these guys did, majority of them would have failed terribly.
nanfor1
#16 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:35:47 PM
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Seeders, don't be facisious

If you oppose the proposed because you are anti-abortion. You are stupid because the current constitution does not define the beginning of life. In other words, you are shooting yourself in the foot.

if you oppose the proposed because of Kadhis, you are stupid because the old still has the Kadhis and forever will.

If you oppose because of land issue. Then you are a thief and probably have some land you should not have and are afraid of being caught come Aug. 4th.

if you have any other issues you are a Kenyan and deserve to be heard by all and sundry and I will support your right to do so.

But please, don't come thinking that just because you hold a Bible you are the clean. I just saw some guy with a Bible last night chaining his followers in the name of Jesus. It was just like a literature lesson.
Hata wakizima taa
masukuma
#17 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:36:38 PM
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its a lousy piece of handiwork. everyone knows that including the YES team. they just want it over and done with.
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McReggae
#18 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:43:50 PM
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The NGOs are having a field day, getting money from donors to do all and sundry in the name of opposing the new constitutions.

I want to honestly ask, who has changed his/her mind to vote against the new constitution coz of these "glaring error" in wazua????
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
McReggae
#19 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:45:59 PM
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The Masukuma's and the Mpenzi's of this world have been combing the constitution since it was published, how comes they never reported these 'glaring errors' before Omtatah and his hirelings posted them?????
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
nanfor1
#20 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 12:48:20 PM
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You are right McReggae

Those who were going to vote no will not change their minds. Those who were going to vote Yes will not change their minds either.

Once the principals took their stands, that was the end game. So now we just have a bunch of people trying to make news every day to gain popularity and money.

I will even stop discussing this topic. In my constituency, there is no way No can win. So my work is done.
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