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Rais Magufuli
Alba
#361 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:20:31 AM
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Huh.
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Tanzania has been 'surpassing' Kenya for years now. First with Mzee Nyerere, with his socialist model, while across the border, we had our own rapacious Mzee, eeeh ahem, 'buying' huge tracts of land and any valuable assets in sight. Unbelievable prescience he had, don't you think? Such unparalleled business acumen. Our erstwhile brothers the Tanzanians still trailed Kenya.
Then came Moi and his cronies,...took billions for safekeeping. We zany and mercurial Kenyans, we whistled along and produced more. Tz had Ali Hassan Mwinyi, a man who at least appeared to have his head screwed on right ...Tz still didn't pass Kenya in its severe anemic state, abused and raped for many, long years.
Along comes Mwai Kibaki, seriously competent (but that is my opinion), but his minions plundered with reckless abandon (Anglo Leasing, among others)..Kenya starts stirring to life, meanwhile Tz had Mkapa and Kikwete. Tz still trailing.
And now have the duo, grand theft continues apace, while Tz has this unhinged fellow who rules by fiat.
I would still bet on Kenya. We are a hardscrapple people and survive these bastards and their continuous evil looting, come out ahead of nations with less malevolent leaders and more natural resources.
Wealth is generated by people,...and perhaps that is where the trick lies as regards Tz surpassing Kenya.
But we shall wait and see.


First I thought you were being sarcastic. I now realize you are serious.
Tanzania was dirt poor under Nyerere and his socialism. Infrastructure was inexistent. A trip from Dar to Mwanza would take a week due to lack of decent roads. Not much changed under Mwinyi who followed Nyerere's policy. Back then Kenyans would laugh hysterically about how poor Tanzania was. No one imagined that Tanzania would ever challenge Kenya at anything.

What Nyerere did well was the he stamped out tribalism such that in TZ today, ethnicity is a non-factor.

I sure hope you were joking when you said Mzee bought huge tracts of land. Of course he grabbed the land. I can't believe people still believe he bought the land. That land grabbing culture is what is biting us now.
All the land stolen in Nairobi and its environs was meant for roads, fire-stations, land fills, dams etc. So when you are stuck in traffic for 2 hours, you can thank the culture of land grabbing. When your taps go dry for a week, you can thank our culture of land grabbing and corruption.

If you look at the 3 main evils in Kenya today: tribalism, corruption and land grabbing, you will find that they started and were encouraged by Jomo . I also find it comical when you talk of Kenya stirring back to life.


Alba
#362 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:35:38 AM
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murchr wrote:



Are you the one blowing this thing over? You've never even set foot in there what you know about TZ and bulldozer is just what you read here on wazua. Dah!

Quote:
A law passed in 2002 allows for the expulsion of pregnant schoolgirls.
The law says the girls can be expelled and excluded from school for "offences against morality" and "wedlock".



If this is the worst thing Magufuli has ever done then he is a saint.

Magufuli Has accomplished the following:
- Waging a relentless war on corruption
- Established Free education up to secondary school
- Significantly reduced govt waste by curtailing foreign trips and holiday celebrations


Compare this with Kenyan leaders who divide us along tribal lines, have encouraged ethnic strife, turn a blind eye to corruption, steal land belonging to primary schools, .............

For this reason I will tale Magufuli any day over a Kenyan leader because as I said earlier, the damage that Kenyan leaders are committing is often permanent whereas Magufuli's roadside decrees will soon be reversed due to donor pressure. And even if he refuses, then his policies will be reversed when his term is over.

And whether that 2002 law is enforced depends on each individual headmaster or headmistress. Chances are that most pregant girls will not be forbidden from going to school because head-teachers have common sense.

Thats why people who complain about magufuli while making excuses for Kenyan leaders are comical.
murchr
#363 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2017 5:19:31 AM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:



Are you the one blowing this thing over? You've never even set foot in there what you know about TZ and bulldozer is just what you read here on wazua. Dah!

Quote:
A law passed in 2002 allows for the expulsion of pregnant schoolgirls.
The law says the girls can be expelled and excluded from school for "offences against morality" and "wedlock".



If this is the worst thing Magufuli has ever done then he is a saint.

Magufuli Has accomplished the following:
- Waging a relentless war on corruption
- Established Free education up to secondary school
- Significantly reduced govt waste by curtailing foreign trips and holiday celebrations


Compare this with Kenyan leaders who divide us along tribal lines, have encouraged ethnic strife, turn a blind eye to corruption, steal land belonging to primary schools, .............

For this reason I will tale Magufuli any day over a Kenyan leader because as I said earlier, the damage that Kenyan leaders are committing is often permanent whereas Magufuli's roadside decrees will soon be reversed due to donor pressure. And even if he refuses, then his policies will be reversed when his term is over.

And whether that 2002 law is enforced depends on each individual headmaster or headmistress. Chances are that most pregant girls will not be forbidden from going to school because head-teachers have common sense.

Thats why people who complain about magufuli while making excuses for Kenyan leaders are comical.



Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Alba
#364 Posted : Saturday, July 15, 2017 4:42:25 AM
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murchr wrote:

Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators


He may be a dictator but Kenyan leaders are corrupt, are murderers, are land grabbers and tribalists.

I would rather have a dictator like Magufuli than the murderous corrupt lot that has been ruling Kenya for 54 years.
murchr
#365 Posted : Saturday, July 15, 2017 5:54:41 AM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:

Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators


He may be a dictator but Kenyan leaders are corrupt, are murderers, are land grabbers and tribalists.

I would rather have a dictator like Magufuli than the murderous corrupt lot that has been ruling Kenya for 54 years.



He is a corrupt dictator. Abuse of power is also corruption
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kaka2za
#366 Posted : Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:06:35 AM
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murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:

Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators


He may be a dictator but Kenyan leaders are corrupt, are murderers, are land grabbers and tribalists.

I would rather have a dictator like Magufuli than the murderous corrupt lot that has been ruling Kenya for 54 years.



He is a corrupt dictator. Abuse of power is also corruption


+254 needs a clever dictator right now.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
wazuaguest
#367 Posted : Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:23:34 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:

Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators


He may be a dictator but Kenyan leaders are corrupt, are murderers, are land grabbers and tribalists.

I would rather have a dictator like Magufuli than the murderous corrupt lot that has been ruling Kenya for 54 years.



He is a corrupt dictator. Abuse of power is also corruption


+254 needs a clever dictator right now.


Only a person who doesnt live in Kenya would make some arguments being advanced here.The last dictactor was Moi even the laws we passed in 2010 leaves very little maneuvering for the president.Its all about this and that institution.

Court quashes Uhuru Illicit brew directive
http://www.the-star.co.k...rews-directive_c1277155


High Court orders NPSC to conduct fresh countrywide police recruitment
http://www.businessdaily...06514-116t95q/index.html
Africa belongs to Africans.
mkeiy
#368 Posted : Saturday, July 15, 2017 8:53:59 PM
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murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:

Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators


He may be a dictator but Kenyan leaders are corrupt, are murderers, are land grabbers and tribalists.

I would rather have a dictator like Magufuli than the murderous corrupt lot that has been ruling Kenya for 54 years.



He is a corrupt dictator. Abuse of power is also corruption



@murchr.

When Kenya is comparing herself, she picks South Korea & Malaysia (two quite developed countries) and we marvel at how 60 years ago,we were at par, or even, better economically /development-wise.

60 years later, Kenya is still dogged by the same old ills of poverty, disease & illiteracy,inspite our 'democracy'.

South Korea & Malaysia had dictators, Kenya had corrupt land grabbers. They developed, we didn't.

Ethiopia & Rwanda under dictators, will develop as we sing 'democracy'. Tanzania may do the same & 60 years later,the year 2077, , , ,alama ya duku duku!

Here in the ranch? Same old thuggery of 60 years ago. Even Mau forest, a water tower, has been forsaken. The people affected by the resulting environmental degradation, still have the audacity to sing of 'democracy'.
What we have in Kenya is nothing but wanton flaunting of stupity. Doing nothing but chasing tails. Stinking tails.
murchr
#369 Posted : Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:09:06 PM
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mkeiy wrote:
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:

Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators


He may be a dictator but Kenyan leaders are corrupt, are murderers, are land grabbers and tribalists.

I would rather have a dictator like Magufuli than the murderous corrupt lot that has been ruling Kenya for 54 years.



He is a corrupt dictator. Abuse of power is also corruption



@murchr.

When Kenya is comparing herself, she picks South Korea & Malaysia (two quite developed countries) and we marvel at how 60 years ago,we were at par, or even, better economically /development-wise.

60 years later, Kenya is still dogged by the same old ills of poverty, disease & illiteracy,inspite our 'democracy'.

South Korea & Malaysia had dictators, Kenya had corrupt land grabbers. They developed, we didn't.

Ethiopia & Rwanda under dictators, will develop as we sing 'democracy'. Tanzania may do the same & 60 years later,the year 2077, , , ,alama ya duku duku!

Here in the ranch? Same old thuggery of 60 years ago. Even Mau forest, a water tower, has been forsaken. The people affected by the resulting environmental degradation, still have the audacity to sing of 'democracy'.
What we have in Kenya is nothing but wanton flaunting of stupity. Doing nothing but chasing tails. Stinking tails.


There's a difference btn a benovelent dictator and one who prosecutes mps because they said he talks too much
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Alba
#370 Posted : Saturday, July 15, 2017 10:03:05 PM
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murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:

Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators


He may be a dictator but Kenyan leaders are corrupt, are murderers, are land grabbers and tribalists.

I would rather have a dictator like Magufuli than the murderous corrupt lot that has been ruling Kenya for 54 years.



He is a corrupt dictator. Abuse of power is also corruption



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Very poor logic. As I have stated above, Magufulis is no saint. But Kenyan leaders are committing acts that are 10 times worse.

You speak of abuse of power yet abuse of power is 10 times worse in Kenya.

And in Kenya the damage is permanent: Once Ruto and his ilk have grabbed land for primary schools and land for water catchments, it will never be recovered.

And When Kenyan leaders steal elections the result is 1000 people die and thousands more are displaced forever.

So no matter how you twist it, Magufuli is a saint compared to Kenyan leaders
Liv
#371 Posted : Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:12:45 PM
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Si muhame?... What is holding you here?
murchr
#372 Posted : Sunday, July 16, 2017 12:03:24 AM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:

Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators


He may be a dictator but Kenyan leaders are corrupt, are murderers, are land grabbers and tribalists.

I would rather have a dictator like Magufuli than the murderous corrupt lot that has been ruling Kenya for 54 years.



He is a corrupt dictator. Abuse of power is also corruption



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Very poor logic. As I have stated above, Magufulis is no saint. But Kenyan leaders are committing acts that are 10 times worse.

You speak of abuse of power yet abuse of power is 10 times worse in Kenya.

And in Kenya the damage is permanent: Once Ruto and his ilk have grabbed land for primary schools and land for water catchments, it will never be recovered.

And When Kenyan leaders steal elections the result is 1000 people die and thousands more are displaced forever.

So no matter how you twist it, Magufuli is a saint compared to Kenyan leaders



Do you know what logic is?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Alba
#373 Posted : Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:48:07 AM
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murchr wrote:


Do you know what logic is?



You already told us that the law that allows headteachers to expel pregnant girls from school has existed in Tanzania since 2002. So Magufuli is simply enforcing the law. He is not being dictatorial nor corrupt.

Since when does enforcing the law make someone a corrupt dictator? Perhaps only in your head.

Thats why I said you are using warped/twisted logic
murchr
#374 Posted : Sunday, July 16, 2017 8:33:32 AM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:


Do you know what logic is?



You already told us that the law that allows headteachers to expel pregnant girls from school has existed in Tanzania since 2002. So Magufuli is simply enforcing the law. He is not being dictatorial nor corrupt.

Since when does enforcing the law make someone a corrupt dictator? Perhaps only in your head.

Thats why I said you are using warped/twisted logic


Wouldn't a logical President ruling in the 21st century be seeking to change that law through his party?

A law that violates the basic right of a child should not even be uttered and propagated by a so called President. That's just basic logic.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mkeiy
#375 Posted : Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:10:08 AM
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murchr wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:

Magufuli is a dictator and you writing compositions doesn't change that. No different from the other African dictators


He may be a dictator but Kenyan leaders are corrupt, are murderers, are land grabbers and tribalists.

I would rather have a dictator like Magufuli than the murderous corrupt lot that has been ruling Kenya for 54 years.



He is a corrupt dictator. Abuse of power is also corruption



@murchr.

When Kenya is comparing herself, she picks South Korea & Malaysia (two quite developed countries) and we marvel at how 60 years ago,we were at par, or even, better economically /development-wise.

60 years later, Kenya is still dogged by the same old ills of poverty, disease & illiteracy,inspite our 'democracy'.

South Korea & Malaysia had dictators, Kenya had corrupt land grabbers. They developed, we didn't.

Ethiopia & Rwanda under dictators, will develop as we sing 'democracy'. Tanzania may do the same & 60 years later,the year 2077, , , ,alama ya duku duku!

Here in the ranch? Same old thuggery of 60 years ago. Even Mau forest, a water tower, has been forsaken. The people affected by the resulting environmental degradation, still have the audacity to sing of 'democracy'.
What we have in Kenya is nothing but wanton flaunting of stupity. Doing nothing but chasing tails. Stinking tails.


There's a difference btn a benovelent dictator and one who prosecutes mps because they said he talks too much


Unfortunately, the fruits of iron fist rule are seen & appreciated much later, not in the early stages and others, not during.

Remember the kind of heat CS Matiangi was receiving when he was implementing those radical rules, go to the Wazua thread. He was being called all sorts of names.
Now everyone sings his name. Of coz until the airport incident.

Magufuli did a good deal of infrastructure as a minister, as a president, I expect him to do much more with all the savings he's making.

Let's review Magufuli at the end of the current term.
Lolest!
#376 Posted : Sunday, July 16, 2017 12:01:10 PM
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Liv wrote:
Si muhame?... What is holding you here?

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Alba
#377 Posted : Monday, July 17, 2017 5:45:02 AM
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murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:


Do you know what logic is?



You already told us that the law that allows headteachers to expel pregnant girls from school has existed in Tanzania since 2002. So Magufuli is simply enforcing the law. He is not being dictatorial nor corrupt.

Since when does enforcing the law make someone a corrupt dictator? Perhaps only in your head.

Thats why I said you are using warped/twisted logic


Wouldn't a logical President ruling in the 21st century be seeking to change that law through his party?

A law that violates the basic right of a child should not even be uttered and propagated by a so called President. That's just basic logic.


You keep changing your story. First you said he was corrupt and dictatorial now you claim he is illogical.

And again, Kenyan leaders are 10 times worse than Magufuli. You lot are just complaining to try to deflect that attention from the fact that Kenyan leaders are rotten and are doing permanent damage to the country.
kaka2za
#378 Posted : Monday, July 17, 2017 7:52:25 AM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:


Do you know what logic is?



You already told us that the law that allows headteachers to expel pregnant girls from school has existed in Tanzania since 2002. So Magufuli is simply enforcing the law. He is not being dictatorial nor corrupt.

Since when does enforcing the law make someone a corrupt dictator? Perhaps only in your head.

Thats why I said you are using warped/twisted logic


Wouldn't a logical President ruling in the 21st century be seeking to change that law through his party?

A law that violates the basic right of a child should not even be uttered and propagated by a so called President. That's just basic logic.


You keep changing your story. First you said he was corrupt and dictatorial now you claim he is illogical.

And again, Kenyan leaders are 10 times worse than Magufuli. You lot are just complaining to try to deflect that attention from the fact that Kenyan leaders are rotten and are doing permanent damage to the country.


logic my foot! It has demostrated here over and again that all emerging economies have been some sort of dictatorship.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Gakware
#379 Posted : Monday, July 17, 2017 9:12:01 AM
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Liv wrote:
Si muhame?... What is holding you here?


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Ngalaka
#380 Posted : Friday, July 21, 2017 9:26:34 PM
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The opposition 2nd in command leader arrested-apparently for calling Magufuli 'Dictator'
Quote:
Tanzanian opposition number two Tundu Lissu has been arrested, three days after having called President John Magufuli a "dictator", party sources said.
No reasons were given for the arrest of Lissu, a member of parliament, the Chadema opposition party chief whip and a leading lawyer.

Magufuli, whose nickname 'tingatinga' (bulldozer), swept to power in 2015, presenting himself as a no-nonsense, corruption-busting, man-of-the-people.
However critics see a wide authoritarian streak at the core of his populism. They argue he acts on impulse regardless of due process or political niceties, while being intolerant of any dissent.
Lissu spoke of a "climate of fear which reigns everywhere", accusing Magufuli of constructing "a system based on favouritism, tribalism and regionalism".
Opposition meetings are banned, newspapers have been shut down and journalists and artists have been threatened or received death threats for criticising the administration
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