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KENOL/KOBIL
VituVingiSana
#141 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:18:14 AM
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Ask & you shall get... This is something to ask for kesho coz at an AGM (open to all shareholders)... they can provide info that would be considered material at other times...
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#142 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 2:00:37 PM
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@cnn, I dont think Q1 will matter much as far as the grand march to 13 is concerned. Hell they could even announce a loss, 13 is still in the horizon.
the deal
#143 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 2:28:14 PM
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@ vvs y opt for a commencial paper of 1.5 bil instead of going for a bond or rights issue to fund the expansion????
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#144 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:11:23 PM
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@the deal, both shareholders and management benefit if it is CP. Shareholders usually have no say how their capital is used. Management can technically do whatever they want with shareholder funds and account to no one. With CP, the lenders will have a more than casual interest on how their funds are spent so they sort of act like agents (Agency Theory) to police the management.
Management can also raise cash much quicker - look at the lead times for a CP and a rights issue.
Management also don't like shareholders - sad but true and the less outstanding shares there are, the better for them.
For shareholders, the better money given to the company is used, the more value is added to the firm.
the deal
#145 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:14:13 PM
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@ GG well said...
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#146 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:45:03 PM
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the deal wrote:
@ vvs y opt for a commencial paper of 1.5 bil instead of going for a bond or rights issue to fund the expansion????

Cheaper cash! CPs are short-term (Bonds are more expensive to launch, etc)...

Rights is also expensive...
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Horton
#147 Posted : Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:28:05 AM
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I think they should do a rights issue, maybe to the tune of 3B, so that they can pay off the debt and save us, the shareholders abit of change in interest or finance charges.

I still think at 106, it's a good buy.....

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#148 Posted : Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:40:11 AM
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@Horton - The CP is for Working Capital 30-90 days... so the rates they get are low coz they follow the T-Bills...
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Horton
#149 Posted : Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:09:38 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@Horton - The CP is for Working Capital 30-90 days... so the rates they get are low coz they follow the T-Bills...


Ya I know that, I was referring to the LT debt
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#150 Posted : Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:51:23 PM
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Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Horton - The CP is for Working Capital 30-90 days... so the rates they get are low coz they follow the T-Bills...


Ya I know that, I was referring to the LT debt
They dont have much LT debt... lok at the Annual Report... Only 75-100mn

The ST is 4bn+ but coz of WC needs...
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#151 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:08:37 AM
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I thought Kenol would be trading ex-split today but apparently not!!!

Is it trading ex-div today (20-May-2010)?
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#152 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:15:56 AM
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I am not able to attend the AGM... Is someone there?
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cnn
#153 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:07:53 AM
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@vvs,i thought both books closure and AGM were tomorrow or i am the disorientated one.?
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#154 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:16:12 AM
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cnn wrote:
@vvs,i thought both books closure and AGM were tomorrow or i am the disorientated one.?

AGM 20 May at 10.30am at Hilton...
Books close kesho lakini sometimes NSE trades shares ex-div 1 day earlier (not sure in this case)...

Perhaps the split takes effect tomorrow as well... If so then I am OK coz the price will rise!!!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Gordon Gekko
#155 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:20:07 AM
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@vvs, I'm at the AGM. The register closes tomorrow. What I've so far picked up and haven't got my mind round to is the statement 'H1 will be above expectations'...........
Gordon Gekko
#156 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:51:53 AM
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Split date 1st June. Appeal will be decided on on 8th July. Appeal success will take the parties back to the arbitrator. Shell/BP prefer to sell as one package its interests in 21 African countries. KK has already reached its 25% threshold in Kenya so they are not interested.
Gordon Gekko
#157 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:02:36 AM
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Pan Paper start repayments next month (when they reopen) in 4 tranches. KK is owed quite a bit of change.
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#158 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:16:02 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Split date 1st June. Appeal will be decided on on 8th July. Appeal success will take the parties back to the arbitrator. Shell/BP prefer to sell as one package its interests in 21 African countries. KK has already reached its 25% threshold in Kenya so they are not interested.

Asante for the updates! Bummer... I wanted to sell my split shares & buy into KQ... Not sure what to do...

As for 1H 2010... things are looking mzuri sana!!! As for the Appeal... I think there is a long way to go considering the speed the Court of Appeal works then back to Arbitrator...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
nahdy
#159 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 6:05:17 AM
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@gordon.. so we can see an upward trend on the price upto end of may.
Gordon Gekko
#160 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 7:39:05 AM
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An interesting tit bit by Segman yesterday. He said that since Terry Davidson who is a director had a case on the Uchumi insider trading, the CMA couldn't give approval on the CP. So Terry had to resign from the board for the CP to get approval. But he was thereafter appointed as an 'advisor' to the board...........
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