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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Lolest! wrote:kayhara wrote:NB. Nairobi is also pretty filthy, but counties forget that they should actually concentrate on this basic services.
1-garbage collection and disposal.
2-waste water management
3-storm water management
4-provision of clean piped water
5-Roads,street lighting,traffic lights.
6-public spacesceg parks, jogging /walkways
Provide these and you have happy residents. They will atill kick you out. Ask Kinuthia Mbugua Clean cities come with a cost(relocation of psv termini, evicting hawkers.. So sad that he lost after he cleaned up Nakuru. What does wanjiko want? Or wanjiko was angry after being cleaned out?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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The irony is the voters in Msa have no issue with the Garbage. Their main issue is Land which has been Nyakuliwad. Same thing as the voters in Machakos may have problems with the Maendeleo Chap chap and may prefer Yaliyondwele sipite. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Gathige wrote:The irony is the voters in Msa have no issue with the Garbage. Their main issue is Land which has been Nyakuliwad. Same thing as the voters in Machakos may have problems with the Maendeleo Chap chap and may prefer Yaliyondwele sipite. Mombasa county is basically mombasa city, just like nairobi county is nairobi city. So how can you say that the biggest issue in a city is land that was nyakuliwad?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 399 Location: Where everyone knows you
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Alba wrote:murchr wrote:Alba wrote:Enyewe Mombasa is dilapidated and dirty and demoralizing. But blaming the local population or even the governor for the woes of a major town in Kenya is missing the point. Who's to blame if not those trashing it and those in charge of maintaining it? We Kenyans are to blame. And I mean all Kenyans not just Mombasa people. We have tolerated corruption and land grabbing for 54 years ! As a result land that was supposed to be set aside for infrastructure development, waste management, land fills, drainage channels etc has been grabbed and given to private developers. The cities are expanding rapidly but there is no equivalent infrastructure expansion. More than half urban dwellers now live in shanties where waste collection and sewerage is a non-starter. Much of the city money goes towards debt repayments. Money that was borrowed by previous corrupt regimes. Transport infrastructure including roads are inadequate or non-existent, making garbage collection an expensive endeavour. All becoz land for road reserves was grabbed. 54 years of poor planning, no zoning, land grabbing and corruption and now you expect a governor to fix it in 4 years ???? And he must do this with no help from the central government ??? The problems of Kenya's biggest cities require policies and solutions driven by the national government not just the local government. In Kenya, leaders are not interested in solving issues because that is not what gets them elected. What gets them elected is building tribal blocs. If we insist on maintaining a system of tribe based voting instead of issue based voting then don't be shocked if the cities look like hell. So all Kenyans are to blame. And Don't blame Wakosti for their dirty city when Nairobi also looks like hell. If you insist on letting politicians grab land and engage in corruption then don't be chocked if you are stuck in traffic for 3 hours or your taps go dry for a week or the city is crime ridden. If you create a culture of issue based leaders then you will slowly start to see real solutions like recycling plants, laws that govern garbage disposal, well managed landfills, laws and policies around recycling etc. etc. etc. @ Alba, Excellent post 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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MatataMingi wrote:Alba wrote:murchr wrote:Alba wrote:Enyewe Mombasa is dilapidated and dirty and demoralizing. But blaming the local population or even the governor for the woes of a major town in Kenya is missing the point. Who's to blame if not those trashing it and those in charge of maintaining it? We Kenyans are to blame. And I mean all Kenyans not just Mombasa people. We have tolerated corruption and land grabbing for 54 years ! As a result land that was supposed to be set aside for infrastructure development, waste management, land fills, drainage channels etc has been grabbed and given to private developers. The cities are expanding rapidly but there is no equivalent infrastructure expansion. More than half urban dwellers now live in shanties where waste collection and sewerage is a non-starter. Much of the city money goes towards debt repayments. Money that was borrowed by previous corrupt regimes. Transport infrastructure including roads are inadequate or non-existent, making garbage collection an expensive endeavour. All becoz land for road reserves was grabbed. 54 years of poor planning, no zoning, land grabbing and corruption and now you expect a governor to fix it in 4 years ???? And he must do this with no help from the central government ??? The problems of Kenya's biggest cities require policies and solutions driven by the national government not just the local government. In Kenya, leaders are not interested in solving issues because that is not what gets them elected. What gets them elected is building tribal blocs. If we insist on maintaining a system of tribe based voting instead of issue based voting then don't be shocked if the cities look like hell. So all Kenyans are to blame. And Don't blame Wakosti for their dirty city when Nairobi also looks like hell. If you insist on letting politicians grab land and engage in corruption then don't be chocked if you are stuck in traffic for 3 hours or your taps go dry for a week or the city is crime ridden. If you create a culture of issue based leaders then you will slowly start to see real solutions like recycling plants, laws that govern garbage disposal, well managed landfills, laws and policies around recycling etc. etc. etc. @Alba, Excellent post @Alba well put
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Alba wrote:The problems of Kenya's biggest cities require policies and solutions driven by the national government not just the local government. Sasa unataka Ohuru afanye nini? You want ohuru to go and collect garbage in mombasa. Or be the one approving buildings at mombasa kanjo to prevent shoddy buildings and growth of slums in the city? Or to ensure buildings are well maintained and painted white? Or manage tuk tuks? All those (and many others) are the responsibilities of joho. Joho wants billions from national govt but doesn't want to work, just using the cash to follow baba....and feed baba.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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hardwood wrote:Alba wrote:The problems of Kenya's biggest cities require policies and solutions driven by the national government not just the local government. Sasa unataka Ohuru afanye nini? You want ohuru to go and collect garbage in mombasa. Or be the one approving buildings at mombasa kanjo to prevent shoddy buildings and growth of slums in the city? Or to ensure buildings are well maintained and painted white? Or manage tuk tuks? All those (and many others) are the responsibilities of joho. Joho wants billions from national govt but doesn't want to work, just using the cash to follow baba....and feed baba. He can start by taking a zero tolerance approach to corruption and land grabbing. The Uhuru era is probably the worst ever when it comes to corruption. As I have said above, the root cause of problems in our cities and towns is the scourge of land grabbing and corruption.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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Alba wrote:hardwood wrote:Alba wrote:The problems of Kenya's biggest cities require policies and solutions driven by the national government not just the local government. Sasa unataka Ohuru afanye nini? You want ohuru to go and collect garbage in mombasa. Or be the one approving buildings at mombasa kanjo to prevent shoddy buildings and growth of slums in the city? Or to ensure buildings are well maintained and painted white? Or manage tuk tuks? All those (and many others) are the responsibilities of joho. Joho wants billions from national govt but doesn't want to work, just using the cash to follow baba....and feed baba. He can start by taking a zero tolerance approach to corruption and land grabbing. The Uhuru era is probably the worst ever when it comes to corruption.As I have said above, the root cause of problems in our cities and towns is the scourge of land grabbing and corruption. Are you sure. Me thinks the ease with which we sambaza information is his undoing. I know two roads that were tamarked in the Nyayo era but only on paper. Yaani 100% theft. Nowadays they just take some percentage or compromise on the specifications.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Alba wrote:hardwood wrote:Alba wrote:The problems of Kenya's biggest cities require policies and solutions driven by the national government not just the local government. Sasa unataka Ohuru afanye nini? You want ohuru to go and collect garbage in mombasa. Or be the one approving buildings at mombasa kanjo to prevent shoddy buildings and growth of slums in the city? Or to ensure buildings are well maintained and painted white? Or manage tuk tuks? All those (and many others) are the responsibilities of joho. Joho wants billions from national govt but doesn't want to work, just using the cash to follow baba....and feed baba. He can start by taking a zero tolerance approach to corruption and land grabbing. The Uhuru era is probably the worst ever when it comes to corruption. As I have said above, the root cause of problems in our cities and towns is the scourge of land grabbing and corruption. The beauty of devolution is kila mtu na kwao. Nakuru county will overtake County 001 to be the economic and tourism destination that Mombasa once was. Evolution is real, in all aspects of life. The average tourist is no longer fascinated by beaches "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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murchr wrote:Alba wrote:hardwood wrote:Alba wrote:The problems of Kenya's biggest cities require policies and solutions driven by the national government not just the local government. Sasa unataka Ohuru afanye nini? You want ohuru to go and collect garbage in mombasa. Or be the one approving buildings at mombasa kanjo to prevent shoddy buildings and growth of slums in the city? Or to ensure buildings are well maintained and painted white? Or manage tuk tuks? All those (and many others) are the responsibilities of joho. Joho wants billions from national govt but doesn't want to work, just using the cash to follow baba....and feed baba. He can start by taking a zero tolerance approach to corruption and land grabbing. The Uhuru era is probably the worst ever when it comes to corruption. As I have said above, the root cause of problems in our cities and towns is the scourge of land grabbing and corruption. The beauty of devolution is kila mtu na kwao. Nakuru county will overtake County 001 to be the economic and tourism destination that Mombasa once was. Evolution is real, in all aspects of life. The average tourist is no longer fascinated by beaches Hata Somalia utapata white sandy beaches....Kutoka Tanga mpaka Mtwara pia utapata white sandy beaches na malaya/mashoga wakutosha(sex, sun and sand). Hata Kismayo ni port city so there is nothing special about Mombasa Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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