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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Apricot wrote:@ Alpha, I know engaging you will lead to endless unproductive exchanges, so here is my answer to your past, present and future posts on matters Islam: I see no purpose debating any claims of celestial/human being interaction from any religion especially one that claims its prophet and book are perfect, that it is the last and final revelation. Such matters can only be debated theologically and that is not my forte. However, a divine revelation to an illiterate merchant resulting in material so similar to the Old Testament - approximately 600 years after the Old Testaments was written does not sound too original even though we are made to believe differently. The only evidence for its claims is that adduced by those to whom the divine revelation was supposedly made to. This is very convenient. Like other religions before it, there is an inverse relationship between the claims it makes and the evidence it produces for its claims. Furthermore, Islam is a religion that makes large claims, whilst maintaining that such claims should not be questioned or scrutinized, which smirks of totalitarianism. It is a religion structured in a way that any challenge to it is considered profane and inevitably leads to heresy. How can we debate claims that have no evidentiary proof (besides theological proof). I don’t know your purpose for defending Islam so vigorously in Wazua, but if you are proselytizing, then like I reminded you before you are preaching to the choir. People will not leave their current celestial dictatorship to hop on to another that is even more totalitarian; claiming to be a solution for everything from sexuality, relationships, banking, diet, afterlife, etc., but I may be wrong. Good luck however. Chasing the wind!? Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/20/2010 Posts: 412 Location: nairobi
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@ Alpha please have a look at the following message by an Australian imam https://www.facebook.com...ideos/10155191821007486/The only time you should be looking down on others is when you are helping them up.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Bro @martin, this so-called imam is a sellout. He has no understanding what Islam is all about. By wanting to be accommodated in Australia, he is ready to sell his deen (religion) for a mere citizenship. And this is one proof of continuous insult to Islam and provocation to Muslims. It goes out to show that there are virulent enemies of Islam who are bent soo low, to sow hatred & strife amongst people. BUT we should not be provoked to violence.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/20/2010 Posts: 412 Location: nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Bro @martin, this so-called imam is a sellout. He has no understanding what Islam is all about. By wanting to be accommodated in Australia, he is ready to sell his deen (religion) for a mere citizenship. And this is one proof of continuous insult to Islam and provocation to Muslims. It goes out to show that there are virulent enemies of Islam who are bent soo low, to sow hatred & strife amongst people. BUT we should not be provoked to violence. But he is a muslim, a teacher at that. He is just frankly criticizing what he thinks is bad The only time you should be looking down on others is when you are helping them up.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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mmarto wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Bro @martin, this so-called imam is a sellout. He has no understanding what Islam is all about. By wanting to be accommodated in Australia, he is ready to sell his deen (religion) for a mere citizenship. And this is one proof of continuous insult to Islam and provocation to Muslims. It goes out to show that there are virulent enemies of Islam who are bent soo low, to sow hatred & strife amongst people. BUT we should not be provoked to violence. But he is a muslim, a teacher at that. He is just frankly criticizing what he thinks is bad @marto, beware of false imams. A person who lies and steals and cons and murders and calls himself "John" doesn't mean he is a true Christian. Similarly, one who calls himself Pastor Kanyari does not make him a true pastor. I'm not English even though I speak English... Similarly calling yourself an Imam, doesn't mean you're actually a true Muslim. So, it doesn't make him a true Muslim even though he calls himself a Muslim.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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AlphDoti wrote:mmarto wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Bro @martin, this so-called imam is a sellout. He has no understanding what Islam is all about. By wanting to be accommodated in Australia, he is ready to sell his deen (religion) for a mere citizenship. And this is one proof of continuous insult to Islam and provocation to Muslims. It goes out to show that there are virulent enemies of Islam who are bent soo low, to sow hatred & strife amongst people. BUT we should not be provoked to violence. But he is a muslim, a teacher at that. He is just frankly criticizing what he thinks is bad @marto, beware of false imams. A person who lies and steals and cons and murders and calls himself "John" doesn't mean he is a true Christian. Similarly, one who calls himself Pastor Kanyari does not make him a true pastor. I'm not English even though I speak English... Similarly calling yourself an Imam, doesn't mean you're actually a true Muslim. So, it doesn't make him a true Muslim even though he calls himself a Muslim. Who decides who is a true muslim? A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Much Know wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mmarto wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Bro @martin, this so-called imam is a sellout. He has no understanding what Islam is all about. By wanting to be accommodated in Australia, he is ready to sell his deen (religion) for a mere citizenship. And this is one proof of continuous insult to Islam and provocation to Muslims. It goes out to show that there are virulent enemies of Islam who are bent soo low, to sow hatred & strife amongst people. BUT we should not be provoked to violence. But he is a muslim, a teacher at that. He is just frankly criticizing what he thinks is bad @marto, beware of false imams. A person who lies and steals and cons and murders and calls himself "John" doesn't mean he is a true Christian. Similarly, one who calls himself Pastor Kanyari does not make him a true pastor. I'm not English even though I speak English... Similarly calling yourself an Imam, doesn't mean you're actually a true Muslim. So, it doesn't make him a true Muslim even though he calls himself a Muslim. Who decides who is a true muslim? I have answered this a million times: Quran and the sunnah of the prophet p.h.u.b. The Quran will definitely expose a traitor, and the sunnah will expose him more. He is a sellout who is ready to sell his deen (religion) for a mere citizenship, just to be accommodated in Australia. You can review the detailed answer which I gave it to you herePlease let me know if you still have further questions
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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[/quote] Chasing the wind!? [/quote] Or competing with hallucinations... First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Apricot wrote:Nandwa wrote:Apricot wrote:@Alpha, I know engaging you will lead to endless unproductive exchanges, so here is my answer to your past, present and future posts on matters Islam: I see no purpose debating any claims of celestial/human being interaction from any religion especially one that claims its prophet and book are perfect, that it is the last and final revelation. Such matters can only be debated theologically and that is not my forte. Chasing the wind!? Or competing with hallucinations... That marks the end of the road for the small mind
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Reading the exchanges here, I am convinced our brother @hambulglar was right on one thing. His crude language notwithstanding.
The world will be one peaceful place the moment atheists are more than religious folks.
Yaani we have educated chaps here who can't agree on a simple right/wrong matter.
Everyone is chest-thumping claiming theirs is the true religion, that they are God's chosen people.
And yet, these God's chosen people from both sides can't trust their God to fight their battles and ensure justice prevails. For that, they resort to barbarism and pure savagery.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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FRM2011 wrote: Reading the exchanges here, I am convinced our brother @hambulglar was right on one thing. His crude language notwithstanding.
The world will be one peaceful place the moment atheists are more than religious folks.
Yaani we have educated chaps here who can't agree on a simple right/wrong matter.
Everyone is chest-thumping claiming theirs is the true religion, that they are God's chosen people.
And yet, these God's chosen people from both sides can't trust their God to fight their battles and ensure justice prevails. For that, they resort to barbarism and pure savagery.
This is the problem with reading your own things. Where has anyone here said "my God is better" or "is true religion"? Can you show us Mr. @FRM2011?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Talking of waning peace and security in the world and religion's role in it - With little more honesty one would identify the source main source of the cancer. Thread is about a BBC documemtary! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Nandwa wrote:Talking of waning peace and security in the world and religion's role in it - With little more honesty one would identify the source main source of the cancer.
Thread is about a BBC documentary! Exactly! That's why more than several times, I referred those who tried to digress here to the relevant thread for such stuff called: Other religious discourse
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/1/2007 Posts: 232
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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And what have you gained yourself by posting this? There is nothing to gain or lose... we're just socializing...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:I now have little doubt that Kenia- land of horns/tusks/ivory- was intended for Jewish settlement. One place being mentioned over and over is Guas Ngishu later Uasin Gishu.
@AlphDoti, I have reason to believe that you're criticism of the 'European Jews' is tinged with the Islamic and more precisely, the drive by the prophet to show 'authentic' Jewish origins.
All I can say at the moment is that we need to go beyond propaganda and trite expressions when considering this issue. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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