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The abortion Debate
sky5
#31 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 11:13:20 AM
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The abortion debate is an unending debate. There are pros and cons on this debate. But ultimately, I think both mother and zygote or foetus or baby have right to life.

For mother who may not to keept the baby for one reason or another I think the suggestion by @masukuma is a very good one. The Govt, church and society can take responsibility for bringing up the babies. Who knows who in society they may become when they grow up.
truth
#32 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 11:19:06 AM
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it goes down to someones morals if either you legalise or not.
chepkel
#33 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 11:31:18 AM
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I agree with sky5. I believe 90% of women regret having procured an abortion but there are those who feel nothing. Many abortion cases are done out of desperation and with proper counseling it can be avoided.

I met this lady at KNH, a very young girl, who had carried her pregnancy up to 7 months and then her boyfriend panicked and advised her to have an abortion. He took her to these backstreet places and they really damaged her. When he realized things had gone bad he dumped her outside the gate of their home at night. She was found in the morning and rushed to KNH.

The girl later developed Kidney failure. I met her when she was undergoing dialysis at KNH. Sooo sad. This girl was going to keep the baby but that stupid fool of a boyfriend messed up her head and she stupidly agreed. And off course when she got sick he was no where to be seen.

Research should be done on what kind of people procure abortions the most and a strategy employed to try and curb this number. There is a lot we can do as a society to help our ladies.
famooz
#34 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 12:01:07 PM
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The issues is NOT if abortion is right or wrong( we all agree that this varies depending on one's religious beliefs,morals,values etc etc).

I was thinking more about what could be done to educate people in order to avoid these pregnancies in the first place. Should there be concerted efforts,whether by state or by religious orgsanisations/ INGO to promote safe sex,sex education? Or should we continue continue beating the abstinence drum to which there are no dancers to the tune ( ok, with few dancers:D)
2012
#35 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 2:27:21 PM
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Phaoro wrote:
I have a problem with men making decisions with what women should do in this matters.


Are you serious?!? So you think a man's involvement should end once the egg is fertilized?

BBI will solve it
:)
atiriri
#36 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 2:40:57 PM
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You guys have you ever seen pictures of abortion being procured. Have you even seen the tools that are used. How they are inserted, I dont think it is an easy thing. It is only easy before you witness the whole process. I once saw those pictures and it was so bad.
muganda
#37 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 3:24:39 PM
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Phaoro wrote:
I have a problem with men making decisions with what women should do in this matters.


2012 wrote:
Are you serious?!? So you think a man's involvement should end once the egg is fertilized?


I agree with @2012 at a certain level: the man's involvement should be throughout including investigation for accessory to murder in the case of abortion; or automatic first-tax for support of child if there's parentage when its born.

Alternatively, I agree with @Phaoro. Under the current lax setting, the laxity should be extended to 'letting the woman do what she sees fit'.

Phaoro
#38 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 4:15:59 PM
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Famooz
Quote:
why does it have to be women leaders spearheading the effort? It is not a womens issue,it affects everyone......i agree though that we need viable solutions.


2012 and Muganda
Quote:
I have a problem with men making decisions with what women should do in this matters.


you left out a very critical part of that sentence "as it pertains to policy" in other words you effectively changed the meaning of what I was trying to convey. Anway let me clarify, I am not trying to abjugate men from responsibility.

What I was trying to say is that when it comes to policy issues, lets have a representative group of women leaders spearhead this matters. More often men are the ones who are yapping the most and sometimes drowning the women voices on this matters and also it is often a man in a position of power who with the stroke of a pen signs policy to determine what is 'right.' I am suggesting for a moment we should pause and let the ladies get involved in spearheading this efforts. And after listening to the ladies together we can come up with comprehensive solutions or ways to mitigate this problem. In a nutshell my point is let us be more inclusive.
Phaoro
#39 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 4:25:55 PM
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Phew! this quotes my goodness, cant seem to get them right
muganda
#40 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 4:27:31 PM
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Hear hear! What an interesting take...
I always hear us men saying we'd like to be included but it hadn't dawned on me that at the point of making policy on these issue women are excluded

HEAR HEAR!

Phaoro wrote:
What I was trying to say is that when it comes to policy issues, lets have a representative group of women leaders spearhead this matters.

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